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Can you cite an example of when I've ghosted a debate?
"Ghosting a debate" doesn't mean I neglect to reply to every single comment, or when I decide to give my opponent the last word. Feel free to cite one example when you think I've done what you've described, but you won't.
You have, for instance, engaged in debate with me and ceased responding.
That in itself is not bad - there are examples of the reverse, where I don't bother responding to a final comment by you. A conversation does not have to go forever.
It is, however, I think absolutely true that 1) you are consistently obsessed with Jews, to a conspiratorial degree, 2) you are unrelentingly hostile to Jews, and no matter how innocuous the behaviour of a Jew, you always attribute the worst possible motives both to the individual Jew and to the wider Jewish people, 3) you do not debate in good faith, but rather flit between unrelated claims in the manner of a conspiracy theory, connecting dots centuries and cultures apart into a theory of Jewish malignancy that you are committed to prior to any examination of evidence, and 4) you are uninterested in learning or any kind of intellectual growth.
Like Chesterton's madman (from the introduction only), I think your mind moves in small, self-contained circles:
I hesitated to even make this comment, because I'm one of those who, as Amadan mentioned, has debated you and since concluded that there is no point doing it again.
Please consider what this says about you and your posting habits.
Look, crushedoranges was warned for criticising you. There's a chance I get warned as well, since this post is only discussing a member here who I do not think makes worthwhile contributions to the Motte. Technically it is not against the Motte's rules to obsessively hate Jews. But at the very least, it would be more interesting if you could find at least one other hobby.
You are absolutely wrong in this discussion, but I made my case and you made yours, if you want to return >30 hours after my last reply and get the last word be my guest. But this is absolutely not me ghosting a debate in any sense. You also called plainly observable reality a "conspiracy theory" and that makes it more likely I'm going to write off discussion with you because we simply aren't operating on similar enough premises. Is it a "conspiracy theory" that Bari Weiss being a pro-Zionist Jew was central to her being selected by the new proi-Zionist Jew owners to lead CBS news? What would you say if a Chinese billionaire who was as engrained in the CCP as Ellison is with Israel (Ellison family is largest private donor to IDF by the way) acquired CBS News, and installed to lead the network a Chinese Nationalist as fanatically loyal to the CCP as Bari Weiss is to Israel? "Nope no coordination here! I don't see any coordination do you? They just happen to be super passionate about China, calling it coordination is a conspiracy theory."
But whatever, not even here to rehash the debate, but you have absolutely not posted an example of me doing what @Amadan accused me of. I'm letting you have the last word because you are describing things as conspiracy theory that to me are plainly observable. So it's an impasse, the reader can read both and decide which perspective is more plausible. I'm not going to spend days debating this with you when you deny what are to me plainly observable premises.
This post is exclusively quibbling a debate from a year ago - I merely gave two example of past debate, one in which I made the final post and one in which you made the final post, and I said explicitly that a conversation doesn't have to go forever.
What I do think is that what crushedoranges said further up in the thread is true. Crushedoranges said:
And:
Amadan also said:
I believe these points are substantially true, and the fact that all you attempt to contest is the relatively trivial charge of whether you have "ghosted" a debate seems to me to be just further evidence of your fundamental unseriousness.
My accusation against you is that you are obsessed with Jews and either unable or uninterested in posting on any other topic, that you always take the most hostile interpretation of anything ever done by a Jewish person and generalise about Jewish people on that basis, and that your larger case against Jews or Judaism is a cobbled-together hodgepodge of isolated references, in the manner of a conspiracy theorist, isolated from any good-faith engagement with either Jewish individuals or Jews as a cultural and religious community.
At times people, myself included, have engaged with you and in my opinion at least made a solid case against you, and what you usually do is reply with a few of the same strung-together references and scary implications, then vanish for a week or two, and then return and keep repeating the same points again, unchanged. The natural result is for people like myself to just conclude that there is no point to engaging with you. It is always the same thing, it is always flawed in the same way, and smashing one's head into the brick wall is neither interesting nor enjoyable.
('Scary implications' is how I would sum up the linked discussion about the person in The Atlantic last year - you take the innocuous example of a Jew opposed to anti-semitism and implied from that wild theories about the supposed malice or racial hostility of the Jewish people overall. In this very post you engage in a motte-and-bailey. There's a highly-defensible motte along the lines of "there are lots of Jews in America, Jews are a successful group who are particularly concentrated in media industries, topics of concern to Jews tend to get more coverage", which I myself stated, but you use this to jump to a bailey of "the media is an organ of Jewish ethnonationalist propaganda". That, I think, is dishonest. But this is what you always do. Every possible observation involving Jewish people, to you, must be interpreted in the most negative light possible. Every instance of a Jew caring about other Jews, or even just a Jew who doesn't want to get beaten up for being a Jew, is evidence of their communal malevolence. There does not appear to be anything a Jewish person could do to avoid your hostility. They are pre-convicted.)
Anyway, maybe you want to nitpick only the charge of ghosting. It is true that you have engaged in discussions and left those discussions even while the other person was still making a case, but as I said, I'm not actually going to judge that too harshly. I explained in the above post what I do judgely harshly, and I think it stands.
No, I have contested that claim by counter-claiming that you are just offended by what ought be an appropriate level of discourse surrounding Jews in serious analysis of Culture War issues. And I do not care, you can complain about it all you want! The fact it makes people upset is a byproduct of the fact it strikes a nerve, as much as you'll deny it.
What, are you claiming victory because I find you annoying? What sort of point is that?
I have made a criticism of your posting habits on the Motte that you have entirely refused to engage with. You could try to defend yourself in two ways. You could either claim that my description of your posting is inaccurate - that you aren't obsessed with Jews, or that you aren't unrelentingly hostile to them. Or you could claim that, granting that my description of your posts is true (if admittedly framed in a way critical of you), the behaviour that I describe is not bad. Maybe you think that everyone should be obsessed with Jews, and that your hostility to them is justified because they are actually that bad.
You've done neither. All you've done is claim that I'm "just offended" or that I'm "upset". That's not an argument. That's childish.
The closest you get to a response is the suggestion that your focus is "an appropriate level of discourse surrounding Jews", so, I take that to be the second way. Do you grant that it's correct that 1) you are extremely focused on Jews and post almost exclusively about them, and 2) your attitude toward Jews, both as individuals and as a community, is extraordinarily hostile? Is your defense that Jews are important enough as to merit this obsessive focus, and that they are bad enough to merit this extraordinary hostility?
Jews are one of the most important political and cultural forces in understanding Culture War in the United States and globe. But because of their political and cultural power, it's taboo to critically analyze their perspective, behavior, and identity. People like you and Aamadan constantly complaining about me talking about Jews is a side-effect of that.
My interest in Jews pertaining to the Culture War issues discussed is appropriate, and whether you want to call it obsessed is a question I do not care about. If it's an "obsession" it's appropriate. Notice now you don't say I'm wrong you just say I'm obsessed. Do you really think you're the first one to engage in this tactic of pathologizing criticism of Jewish identity and behavior? It's not going to work on me, I dismiss your concerns. If I say something you disagree with feel free to make an argument.
I also think I do post on a breadth of some of the most important Culture War nuances that are tangentially related to Jews but cover important concepts.
You might say, for example, when I wrote a short review of IT: Welcome to Derry, I couldn't help myself and I just had to take a jab at the Jews and the Holocaust because I'm obsessed. But I just wanted to watch a half-decent IT show, I didn't ask to be bombarded by Jews flexing cultural status and promulgating Holocaust lies. So is my criticism of this episode in the show me being obsessed with Jews, or is it Jews being obsessed with broadcasting their own cultural status, victim narratives, and lies in mass media? I just wanted to watch a TV show!
This is the reason why "you're so obsessed" is never going to work on me. I can't just sit and watch IT without Jewish lies being thrown directly in my face, and the sad part is I'm one of the very few people who knows it's a lie and the mass audiences are going to believe it and buy into it- because if they don't believe it they are a Holocaust denier, liable to be arrested in Europe, for daring to challenge the notion that Jews were turned into lampshades at Buchenwald. This is real CULTURE WAR by the way, this is how CULTURE WAR is waged, by weaving symbols and myths into popular culture in this exact fashion. But I didn't force them to put that in the show, if I'm OBSESSED for Noticing and criticizing it, then so be it because it must be done by someone.
I don't care about Jews per se, and lots of people on this site talk about Jews (negatively) and don't get modded for it.
You are the "Jew guy," the guy who posts nothing but rants about Jews, whose entire identity is hating Jews, whose entire personality is "I hate Jews." If I see a @SecureSignals post, I know that every. single. time. it will be about Jews and nothing but Jews. You start out talking about a TV show? Jews. You bring up a news article which initially has nothing to do with Jews or Israel? It will be about Jews.
That is why the "single-issue posting" rule gets applied to you (as it has been applied to a handful of other tiresome obsessives). Not because it's "taboo" to criticize Jews.
Every single time you reply to me I know it's you complaining about me talking about da Joos.
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