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This footage shows even more clearly to me that the ICE employee was at least negligent. Why was he filming with his cell phone if he felt she was an imminent threat? Why was he wandering around to the front of the car? Everyone seemed fairly calm until the other ICE employee starts yelling "get out of the fucking car" and charging up to the drivers' side door. I didn't hear the phrase "you're under arrest" anywhere in the video.
If ICE employees want to be treated like cops, maybe they should act more like cops. Wear proper body cameras instead of using a cell phone, have their faces visible, and identify their name and badge number when asked. Then maybe people would feel that it's safe to surrender when "arrested" by them.
It sounds like you have made up your mind and will never be pleased. She hit him with her car and you’re arguing that some other conduct that’s not on video we can never know the truth of is probably exculpatory context
No, I'm judging purely based on the video. I saw nothing in the video that made it clear the ICE employees were putting her under arrest. I don't see how someone can be "resisting arrest" unless they're aware they are being arrested. All I saw was a guy in a mask jumping out of an unmarked vehicle and running toward her, yelling "get out of the fucking car". In that situation it seems reasonable to fear for one's life. Why does the ICE employee have the right to self-defense but an American citizen on a public street doesn't have the right to flee?
I don’t understand your thinking here. If a cop would stop you and tell you to get out of your car, do you think you could just floor it and flee because they didn’t say you are under arrest?
That may be reasonable if someone is startled and wondering if brazilian street gangsters are carjacking them, but it is not what is happening in the video. She, her partner and the bystanders know exactly who the ICE officers are and she is smiling condescendingly and cracking jokes at them. There is neither panic nor fear, just smugness and derision. She is not fleeing out of panic, but because she is flippantly taking it as a game and not taking the situation serious.
Right, and then the other ICE employee started charging at her, and she feared for her life. I would be scared too if some guy dressed like a muslim terrorist started trying to drag me out of my car. For all she knew, these were just a group of Trump supporters pretending to be ICE.
Now you are inventing Jussie-Smollet like conspiracy theories to explain this woman's conduct. Just why? Its pretty simple what happened. A lady got in her car with the intent to disrupt ICE activity. She was so doing so. She then made a fatal error by accelerating her car and hitting a federal agent who was seemingly a bit trigger happy given his previous hostile experiences with vehicles hitting him.
There's no need to go into good/bad shoot, it was a meh shoot onto a person who created the situation with their intentional lawless activity.
I've never claimed that she made a smart self-preserving decision by participating in civil disobedience against ICE. That's what makes her a hero in my opinion, she sacrificed herself (possibly unintentionally) to resist federal overreach and the police state. And I want her killer to be punished.
I dont think states should be able to opt out of immigration law because they make them feel bad anymore than I can opt out of tax law because I dont like coughing up 45% of my check to DC.
Unless you disagree with that notion there is no case for this being federal overreach or a police state action.
It creates asymmetry whereby red states are subject to blue immigration belief when blue is in power but blue states are not subject to red immigration belief when red is in power.
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