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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026

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Here is a slow motion video purporting to show him reaching for his missing weapon

I personally can't see any reaching in this video. But the uploader claims to see Pretti reaching at the 27-second mark, which is well after he was first shot by the officer at the 21-second mark. So your items 6 and 7 need to be corrected:

(6) An officer draws his gun and shoots Pretti.

(7) All the officers disperse and stop holding Pretti down. Pretti partially rises from the compressed kneeling/dogeza position in which the officers were holding him, but soon falls back to the ground. Pretti allegedly (observer opinions vary) reaches for his empty holster as he rises.

(8) The aforementioned officer shoots Pretti several more times.

Who fired the first shot (at 21 seconds in the first video)? Logically it should have been the agent in center who pulls out his gun at 15 seconds and points it at Pretti. He obviously fires the second shot at 26 seconds - you can see the slide move and the casing eject. None of the other agents appears to have a gun in hand (other than the guy who pulls Pretti's gun from the holster and immediately turns and walks away).

Listening carefully, the first and second-fourth shots sound different. Does that have any significance?

I saw this post on Kiwifarms, but I've also seen others make the same argument elsewhere. The gun Pretti had on him is incredibly unreliable. Pretti was disarmed, but the gun still went off by itself in the officer's hands. You can see this in the linked video. There are a few frames where there's a muzzle flash and the gun jumps up. The gunshot spooks the other agents, who then promptly execute Alex Pretti as a result.

https://uploads.kiwifarms.st/data/video/8457/8457365-a397cfea4716acf38f4dfed2c6bb7098.mp4

Having painstakingly reviewed the video frame by frame from the 0:37 to 0:40 mark, when the first gunshot happened, I am as sure as I can be that this is what happened:

  1. ICE agent retrieves the gun from the guy
  2. As we would find out later, this gun is a SIG Sauer P320. This is a crucial detail that pretty much everybody is overlooking but it's the entire lynchpin of this unfortunate incident.
  3. ICE agent with the guy's gun starts to move away
  4. The gun just goes off. No, the agent did not fire the gun. If you look closely, the agent's finger is not on the trigger. The gun just went off. At 0:38 and 0:39 if you go frame by frame you can see what appears to be a muzzle blast and you can see what is definitely the gun suddenly jumping in his hand, both telltale signs that the gun has just discharged. Despite the distance and the video quality, it is still obvious the agent does not have his finger on the trigger.
  5. This spooks the rest of the ICE agents and they shoot the guy dead.

Why did the gun go off? Short answer: the SIG P320 is a notoriously dangerous piece of shit and it literally does just go off sometimes.

Long answer: The P320 has a specific design feature intended to make the trigger lighter, however this introduces a safety problem that could cause the gun to go off if dropped, put in a holster, placed gently on a table, or even shaken or jerked around, as happened to that particular gun in the footage. If the gun were made well, it would be safe, but SIG is notorious for its cost-cutting measures including the outsourcing of component manufacture, this affects the military, police, and civilian P320s. These guns have been built poorly and have in fact literally gone off, injuring many across the world. Don't believe me? Just google "Sig P320 incidents" or something along those lines and you'll have no shortage of articles to peruse. Ask SIG about all the lawsuits.

My analysis: the gun went off because it's an unsafe piece of crap, this spooked the ICE agents and they lit him up. That is what happened. That is history. Was it right? Was it wrong? Does this even matter? I won't answer the first two questions but I think we all know the answer to the third. Ultimately, the first shot being a not-so-rare accident from a known unsafe gun will be forgotten except by people like me who were here today and choose to not forget. Hopefully that's a few of you.

There's some good discussion lending credence to this theory (including better video than I've seen elsewhere) in this thread

but the gun still went off by itself in the officer's hands.

I'm not a gun guy, but I know physics. I don't buy it yet. I don't see a muzzle flash. There is a bright spot that appears near the end of the barrel at about the correct timeframe, but it's also there in the exact same spot a few seconds earlier. This is a brightly-lit spot of background concrete. We also don't see any impact on the ground where the bullet would have hit if it had been fired from that gun at that moment. The recoil looks wrong too. The arm moves out yes, but there is no rotation of the gun relative to the arm. There doesn't seem to be any torque applied, as would be the case if the motive force came from the gun itself.

https://files.catbox.moe/vm5krv.png

https://files.catbox.moe/1fd7uk.mp4

I was referring to this. It looks like something is coming out of the barrel of the gun. I assume it is a muzzle flash because it appears at the same time as the sound of the gun shot is heard.

Previous discussion on the unreliability of the P320 here.

I saw this post on Kiwi Farms

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Big if true, I guess.

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