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https://www.newsweek.com/video-appears-to-show-new-ice-shooting-in-minneapolis-11411971
Ice shooting round 2 has kicked off. Numerous rumors already flying around but will be a bit before we have facts I imagine.
EDIT: I've been asked to add some relevant points, I'll say: this comment has links to various angles: https://www.themotte.org/post/3493/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/405295?context=8#context This comment mentions the "Sig misfire" angle that I've seen a bit: https://www.themotte.org/post/3493/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/405451?context=8#context
Walz has activatedthe national guard: https://x.com/MnDPS_DPS/status/2012614253090619619 The NBA postponed the Minnesota/Golden State game tonight.
Everything makes sense viewed through the lens of politics. Both sides show hypocrisy on this issue. If this were jan 6th we'd see the same people arguing that it was excessive force or overreach. I saw that circulated video and could not see anyone pull a weapon. Looked like a scuffle and someone dead after gunshots. The question is, will this get worse or what are the longer term implications. MN has now sorta become the modern Fort Sumter. The thing is, ICE has the authority to make these arrests and use lethal force if necessary, and there isn't much that can be done unless Congress steps in, which they likely won't.
Specifically, the left seems to think federal law enforcement is a game. Their protests are part of the game, and it's just not just and playing by the rules to treat this as a serious issue that people can die in. Aside from toxoplasmosis, that's what all the outrage is coming from- this isn't supposed to be real. And to be completely fair, this attitude has treated them OK before this issue.
Right wingers have never treated their mass public protests as playtime. That's why you had state capital invasions with sufficient discipline that there weren't little incidents- that people could get seriously hurt in. And that in turn freaked out the left even more- when the Oregon or Virginia state capitals were overrun back in the late 2010's or the Covid protestors turned out the militias and everybody behaved with perfect seriousness and discipline. Remember the freakout about militias? Remember the contrast with the Not Fucking Around coalition(which was, actually, fucking around).
It’s not a game, it’s the government storming your city and demanding to see everyone’s papers and perhaps snatching up your friends, terrorizing people to be afraid to go out of their houses. I personally would feel like a coward if I didn’t somehow do something against that. At the same time I’m sure I wouldn’t do so because I don’t get involved in putting my ass on the line over politics. I know that about myself, but if the agents were on the streets of my city, where many of my friends are indeed immigrants, I’d feel like a piece of shit for not doing something about it. A lot of people are like me but they are willing to put their own ass in danger for this sort of thing, and I respect that.
I’m interested in this seeming total lock-in to your own perspective that’s happening among many people on the right on this subject. You’d feel the same way if you perceived that masked thugs from the government descended on your own town and started harassing and snatching people from your social network. Wouldn’t you?
This did sort of happen during COVID in a lot of places, though. Why people are storming your city and demanding to see your papers and making you feel afraid of going about your daily life, and whether you agree or disagree matters a lot to how you feel about it. Ultimately people's responses on all sides are going to be politically inflected.
This is true.
It creates lots of conflict when the sides are polarized and each perceives different threats, but I guess it does cause us to avoid certain civilizational failure modes.
It’s either this or be like the Chinese and just preserve social harmony above all else. In the end a trade off. Hope you are enjoying the show!
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