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https://www.newsweek.com/video-appears-to-show-new-ice-shooting-in-minneapolis-11411971
Ice shooting round 2 has kicked off. Numerous rumors already flying around but will be a bit before we have facts I imagine.
EDIT: I've been asked to add some relevant points, I'll say: this comment has links to various angles: https://www.themotte.org/post/3493/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/405295?context=8#context This comment mentions the "Sig misfire" angle that I've seen a bit: https://www.themotte.org/post/3493/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/405451?context=8#context
Walz has activatedthe national guard: https://x.com/MnDPS_DPS/status/2012614253090619619 The NBA postponed the Minnesota/Golden State game tonight.
Minneapolis has clearly become a clusterfuck with no real win condition for the ICE side. Shoot itself is weird since my understanding is
Which is probably enough to escape legal culpability but it's also generated another ugly video and indicative there's not really a good win condition to engaging since if enough people cluster forks around the proverbial power socket there's gonna be shockings
I really don't think these things are true, there is basically no evidence for an accidental discharge and the first gunshot happens very shortly after the first ICE agent pulls his gun and puts it up against the guy's back. By then, the agent that had disarmed him has already turned and is heading away, so there is no active struggle over the gun. I think the evidence points towards the ICE agent shooting him much more than an accidental discharge.
I don't see any evidence the guy reached for his waistband, and it's kind of irrelevant anyway because at that point his gun had already been taken and the ICE agent was walking away with it. And assuming the first discharge wasn't accidental, at that point he had already been shot in the back once.
Oh yes there is, the gun was a Sig P320
This feels a lot like cope, but at least "was this gun discharged" is something that forensics can probably answer definitively.
On the other hand, even if it were, it's still unclear to me that it's still justifiable, if at least a bit understandable: surely police aren't justified in shooting someone on the ground being arrested just because a loud noise happened nearby (actual gunshots elsewhere, fireworks, cars backfiring). I do think intentionally making such noises in these sorts of situations is just asking for trouble (I recall saying that fireworks shot at police during the 2020 protests/riots were grossly negligent), but I wouldn't condone immediate "return" fire.
But I'm also of the opinion that permanent-hearing-damage levels of intentional noisemaking (all the whistles going on, among other things) should probably be considered "assault" (otherwise I'll start working on a "194dB Free Speech Canon"), and I'd much prefer everyone take a couple of deep breaths and discuss things civilly.
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