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https://www.newsweek.com/video-appears-to-show-new-ice-shooting-in-minneapolis-11411971
Ice shooting round 2 has kicked off. Numerous rumors already flying around but will be a bit before we have facts I imagine.
EDIT: I've been asked to add some relevant points, I'll say: this comment has links to various angles: https://www.themotte.org/post/3493/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/405295?context=8#context This comment mentions the "Sig misfire" angle that I've seen a bit: https://www.themotte.org/post/3493/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/405451?context=8#context
Walz has activatedthe national guard: https://x.com/MnDPS_DPS/status/2012614253090619619 The NBA postponed the Minnesota/Golden State game tonight.
Everything makes sense viewed through the lens of politics. Both sides show hypocrisy on this issue. If this were jan 6th we'd see the same people arguing that it was excessive force or overreach. I saw that circulated video and could not see anyone pull a weapon. Looked like a scuffle and someone dead after gunshots. The question is, will this get worse or what are the longer term implications. MN has now sorta become the modern Fort Sumter. The thing is, ICE has the authority to make these arrests and use lethal force if necessary, and there isn't much that can be done unless Congress steps in, which they likely won't.
Specifically, the left seems to think federal law enforcement is a game. Their protests are part of the game, and it's just not just and playing by the rules to treat this as a serious issue that people can die in. Aside from toxoplasmosis, that's what all the outrage is coming from- this isn't supposed to be real. And to be completely fair, this attitude has treated them OK before this issue.
Right wingers have never treated their mass public protests as playtime. That's why you had state capital invasions with sufficient discipline that there weren't little incidents- that people could get seriously hurt in. And that in turn freaked out the left even more- when the Oregon or Virginia state capitals were overrun back in the late 2010's or the Covid protestors turned out the militias and everybody behaved with perfect seriousness and discipline. Remember the freakout about militias? Remember the contrast with the Not Fucking Around coalition(which was, actually, fucking around).
It’s not a game, it’s the government storming your city and demanding to see everyone’s papers and perhaps snatching up your friends, terrorizing people to be afraid to go out of their houses. I personally would feel like a coward if I didn’t somehow do something against that. At the same time I’m sure I wouldn’t do so because I don’t get involved in putting my ass on the line over politics. I know that about myself, but if the agents were on the streets of my city, where many of my friends are indeed immigrants, I’d feel like a piece of shit for not doing something about it. A lot of people are like me but they are willing to put their own ass in danger for this sort of thing, and I respect that.
I’m interested in this seeming total lock-in to your own perspective that’s happening among many people on the right on this subject. You’d feel the same way if you perceived that masked thugs from the government descended on your own town and started harassing and snatching people from your social network. Wouldn’t you?
And buying and returning thousands of salt shakers at target has something to do with anything? It's being treated as a game. They don't get that federal law enforcement is actual law enforcement. That's why they throw themselves into the middle of active police investigations and pretend they can't be arrested for it. That's why they fistfight cops and are shocked it doesn't turn out well.
Deeply unserious people, utterly disconnected from the real world. These aren't teenaged petty criminals making a bad decision under stress like the blacks that get got and spark protests- they're full blown adults who ought to know better. And they're treating it as a game with ICE breaking the rules. I guess that's what you get with a political movement founded on the idea that men can become women.
No, it's being treated seriously by people who are being intentionally riled up and misled by those seeking to gain from the chaos. They don't "get" that federal law enforcement is actual law enforcement because they are being explicitly told by people they trust that ICE has no power over them. This chaos is being deliberately orchestrated. Don't let those doing the orchestration off the hook.
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