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One interesting twitter debate going on right now is the billionaires prefer waitresses. Maybe not even interesting but complete culture war. The thing I’m seeing for the billionaires don’t marry waitresses is a very pedantic view of waitresses when I think the meaning is more like girl bosses versus attractive girl whose primary goal is not making money but finding a husband.
I do not know if anyone really disagrees with this. Like it’s a spectrum right? Only Jeb Bush married a girl who doesn’t even speak the same language but I assume was very cute. The spectrum is something like Laurene Jobs who did a little corporate prestige jobs and went to Stanford MBA then quit working versus Jeb Bush who just picked a big booty Latina at 18.
I feel like guys often pick the “waitress” over the girl boss. But the people saying the billionaires never pick the waitress are being excessively pedantic. The model isn’t a waitress. The presenter isn’t a waitress (Bezos). The art hoe isn’t a waitress.
I would say the best smart guys tend to marry the Princeton girl early like Bezos or Gates or Zuck. But over 30 the waitress traits start to show up.
Personally I would prefer girl who has career and interesting life but I have way more options in the waitress category of attractive with some things going on.
Got told people didn’t know the debate. I think this is the twitter posts that started it. debate
How is Lauren Sanchez Bezos closer to a waitress than a girlboss? Prior to meeting Bezos she already was a D list celebrity as a news anchor/TV presenter, and is a helicopter pilot that founded an aerial videography company (literally… a girlboss). She was also almost 50 with 3 kids from a previous marriage when they met. The overlap between her and a waitress (especially a 50 year old waitress) is… what?
That’s the scissor statement in this. Everything you described are hot girl jobs. Including company ex-husband probably funded and lost money on.
This is a Greek weather girl. That’s a presenter right? That girl gets guys for her feminine energy not because she spent a decade grinding at McKinsey. Greek weather girl
Ah so waitress is a stand in for a “hot girl job”? I’m a frequent restaurant goer and across Europe that’s not really been the case. First off I’ve found most waiters to be male, although at family run restaurants you might have the wife bringing you the food while the husband cooks, and in that case the vibe is definitely more “motherly” than flirty. I’m guessing it’s different in the US which might be one of the causes of the scissor statement.
“Rich men prefer to marry rich women who got wealthy through their looks and personality rather than from grinding the corporate ladder” is a very different statement from “rich men prefer to marry attractive poor women in low status jobs rather than rich women”. Picking a supermodel over a CEO is not the same as picking a bartender over a CEO.
Waitress is a mostly female job in the US, but they aren't selected for attractiveness.
Depends on where you go. It's no coincidence there aren't any fat ugly waitresses at good restaurants. (Nor fat ugly waiters) They're not solely selected for attractiveness, but they're definitely selected for it.
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