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One of the greatest shows of military might ever in history was done to North Korea over the course of three whole years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_North_Korea#:~:text=A%20total%20of%20635%2C000%20tons,(including%20160%2C000%20on%20Japan)
Incredibly destructive (some estimates go as high as 20% of the population in NK dead from it) and yet as we all know now, it didn't really matter, the communists are still around and they even have nukes now. Military might is an incredibly important thing to have, but even such insanely overwhelming numbers do not make a simple fix to our problems. There must be more to it, and we've already failed at this in Korea, in Vietnam, in Afghanistan. Heck even in Iraq itself just a few years ago. Maybe it succeeds this time without a hitch, but it can't be taken for granted.
Sure, that's the conventional wisdom. I've heard that sort of thing all my life, that Korea, Vietnam, etc. prove the limits of what strategic bombing can accomplishment. But I'm not so sure that's a universal truth, or simply a limit of 20th century technology. It's sort of like how electric cars were always slow and useless, until suddenly they weren't. Previous wars involved bombing wildly and indescriminately, with the US first being unable to hit its targets (most of the 20th century) and then struggling to identify just who it should be targeting (most of the war on terror). It no longer has that limitation- It knew exactly where all the key leaders of Iran were, and targetted them very precisely in the first day of the war. It can continue to do this as long as anyone in Iran tries to resist. But so far there hasn't been any organized resistance, and the Iranian people seem pretty happy that their dictator is gone.
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The US carved out a state in Korea despite the endless onslaught of millions of Chinese bodies in a zerg rush and the risk that the Soviets would send millions more. That’s very impressive. There was no need at the time to fight further and harder to get a few more map inches up the Korean Peninsula, which was broadly seen as just another offshoot of communist China.
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Modern birthrates might make it a bit more effective when replenishment takes significantly longer
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