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There are conflicting reports on if Iran was starting to concede it's nuclear stance during negotiations last week.
On the one hand, Oman said Iran was going to reduce it's stockpile.
Wall Street Journal says the opposite though. Laurence Norman, WSJ reporter in Germany, says, "My understanding comes from non-U.S. officials close to the talks as well as what Washington has said. This is what we have from 3 people."
Overall, I don't think we can take it for granted that Iran was capitulating during talks.
Is there any way for Iran to credibly promise not to get a nuclear weapon in the foreseeable future?
It strikes me that with each Israeli-USA attack on Iran, it becomes more obvious to any Iranian that a nuclear weapon might be a useful thing to have. The bombings might set back the physical process, but they increase the motivation.
If a bunch of guys come to my house several times and kick in my door and beat me up and break my furniture and tell me "you better not get a gun, if you get a gun we'll get really angry!" My first thought, and I would think any man's first thought, is "I better get a gun."
I just can't see a way for Iran to credibly make a promise that they don't want a nuclear weapon in a world where they quite obviously should want a nuclear weapon.
In June 2024, "Only around 20 percent of respondents want the Islamic Republic to remain in power, according to the survey." I think that number went even lower after the recent violent suppression of protests.
The US sees it more like intervening in a messy domestic dispute, where the male partner (Islamic Republic Government) keeps threatening to get a gun and shoot the police, the police (USA) keeps saying, "Don't do it or we'll have to come in there," and the wife and kids (80% of Iranian people) are hoping that the police intervene but are afraid of getting beaten up again.
Do you think that those 80% of Iranians are ultimately in favor of a government whose policies would be acceptable to the USA/Israel? Or would a hypothetical liberal Persian democracy still have to accept a world in which they can be bombed at will if their democracy were to go into an unapproved direction? Ok you've killed the abuser, is she allowed to get herself a gun to keep herself safe in the future?
And more to the point, how does she credibly tell you she won't get a gun in the future? What promise would be accepted?
I think those 80% of Iranians would be in favor of a government less focused on supplying their proxies with weapons and more focused on water conservation and management. Which in and of itself is a win for the US.
The American public just elected a government on the premise that they would focus on reducing inflation and avoid foreign adventurism. That government just instituted a policy of kinetic regime change in Iran, and the CPI is identical to the September before the election.
Would an Iranian democracy be allowed to be democratic, or would it be subject to bombing? How would such a government promise not to develop nuclear weapons in a way that the USA/Israel would trust?
Americans love display of military might as long as the bodybags are few. They don't want forever wars. So far in Iran war US has lost less people that they lose in Ukraine in a month where they don't even have presence ( there is this weird pattern where Russians by mistake and incompetence hit a civilian building, and couple of days later there is some crash in the USA or allies in which some people die).
The promise is fairly easy - Iran is prohibited for possessing air defenses, except on the borders with pakistan, afghanistan and iraq. US inspectors have unlimited access to all Iran infrastructure. Iran, SA, UAE and the gulf states pay couple of billion for funding US bases there ready to punish Iran.
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