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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 2, 2026

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Blue tribe doesn't have the connotations of "stupid angry white hicks who will come to our village and pogrom us".

The Muslim immigration doesn't seem like a viscerally real, tangible problem because so far it has only built up to small minorities in Western countries.

This seems obviously false now. We have seen the brown people march and chant “from the river to the sea” now.

Maybe 5-10 years ago it was not viscerally real. Today the visceral reality seems very real. Team third worlders if they had enough political power to pogrom Jews seem fine with it.

We have seen the brown people march and chant “from the river to the sea” now.

We have seen it. The average Jew is not a politics-obsessed person who watches the latest aggregated videos of demonstrations on social media and automatically distrusts mainstream framings of topics.

Jews don’t watch the news seems like a poor argument to me. Compared to the average American even adjusted for education they donate more to politics, volunteer more in politics, and spend more time on message boards. They are literally the most politically engaged group in America.

Blacks are the most "being an NBA player"-engaged ethnic group in America, yet the vast majority of blacks are not NBA players.

You are comparing playing in the NBA which is limited to 700 people to watching Tik-Toks are doom scrolling on twitter?

That is a weak argument.

Blue tribe doesn't have the connotations of "stupid angry white hicks who will come to our village and pogrom us".

How so? They're the ones doing all the "antisemitic" protests that they were complaining so much about.

The Muslim immigration doesn't seem like a viscerally real, tangible problem

Then why were they complaining so much about all the people celebrating October 7th?

It's all propaganda. In reality, anti-semitism in America was historically not a Red Tribe phenomenon. Anti-semitism in America wasn't pograms, it was stuff like Harvard's Jewish quotas, country clubs refusing Jews, that sort of thing. There was the Klan, who hated almost everyone, but Jews weren't their main focus. There's also black anti-Semitism and Muslim anti-Semitism -- the latter is basically imported and the former fairly recent and not Red Tribe either. Meanwhile, there's some revanchist with a Confederate flag muttering the N-word and the someone calls him an anti-Semite, and he scratches his head and says "Wasn't our Secretary of State named Judah Benjamin?"

Black anti-semitism goes back quite a ways, actually- it’s always been part of black power/black liberation.

Agreed, but I guess I'm not American enough to consider that "a long time".

How so? They're the ones doing all the "antisemitic" protests that they were complaining so much about.

That's very recent and mostly confined to a small subset of Blue tribe. So far it's not much compared to hundreds of years of being pogromed by people who seemed more like Red tribe.

Then why were they complaining so much about all thr people celebrating October 7th?

You can get viscerally upset watching some people celebrate the killing of your co-ethnics without it making you decide that their entire ethnic group is inherently unassimilable to Western civilization. And I think that Jews have been turning more against Muslim immigration recently.

I feel like this is a comfy US Jewish view that’s been accepted for a long time. I don’t believe the state of Israel shares this view.

Abu Zubaydah when he was captured told the CIA officer that he didn’t really want to kill Americans he just wanted to kill Jews.

The main difference between third world antisemitism and white antisemitism is whites are very good at war. Overall Western Europeans are likely less antisemitic than other groups but when we do turn on Jews we can kill a lot of them.

These two issues were relevant enough for them to (successfully) lobby for state actions like deportations and withdrawal of government funds. If they were such a small issue that they don't warrant any reciprocical support, their requests should have been denied. Hell, they should not have made them in the first place.

Well, they're not a monolith. Some of them wanted such radical actions, some were opposed, some indifferent.

My overall point is that, even though Jews in Western countries have been moving a bit to the right recently, white-dominated right-wing populist movements probably have, to a Jewish perspective, so much historical baggage that I don't expect 80% of Jews to support them any time in the near future. They might do it if Muslims rise to make up like 20% of Western populations or something. Even then I'm not sure.

This is basically the core of the reason for Holocaust denialism. Holocaust has been used by Jewish organizations to justify any white in-tribe affinity.

But it has the same logical failure as saying Jews are a monolith and vote left. And probably less true. Sure Hitler exists. But most of the other Western European countries were not huge supporters of killing the Jews. America actually created the one country where Jews could be very successful. There is no monolith white people will kill the Jews. And they’ve faced the same issue in basically every culture they have ever lived in.

The root of people hating the Jews I think comes from their extreme proclivity to be wordcells while being a minority of the population. It’s the same reason people end up finding Vivek cringe.

Well, they're not a monolith. Some of them wanted such radical actions, some were opposed, some indifferent.

Okay, so if so few of them cared about it, their request should have been denied. Opt-out's entire point ia that if we're going to engage in such radical actions, they should come with the corresponding support from the community.

My overall point is that, even though Jews in Western countries have been moving a bit to the right recently, white-dominated right-wing populist movements probably have, to a Jewish perspective, so much historical baggage that I don't expect 80% of Jews to support them any time in the near future.

And my point is that given the movements they actually supported that perspective is unreasonable. If these movements can be somehow seen as "not a big deal" so can the populist right.

Well, since I'm not a Jew and also to my knowledge I never did anything to support requests for deportation and the like, I'm probably not the person you should be saying this to.

That said, I also don't like the populist right, so it's my hope that they don't end up supporting the populist right. Or supporting crazed college kids. Or supporting Islamists / Arab nationalists / etc.

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