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As a general note, it kind of makes me sad to see how strange the thinking patterns had become, I think maybe because to incessant electoral campaigning. Everybody should have an ultimate plan to solve everything, forever, perfectly, or it's even not worth talking about. And if the solution takes more than a week, we don't have enough attention span to comprehend what is going on.
The saddest part is everybody knows literally 100% of people who propose these nice rounded-up solutions are liars - we know it is not going to work this way, they know it is not going to work this way, and it never ever worked this way. It will always be more complicated, more chaotic, things will change and go to off directions, unexpected things will arise and all plans will have to be changed or abandoned altogether. But somehow still everybody demands A Man With A Plan - even fully knowing (though frequently not realizing) that any such plan must be bullshit, no one can have a perfect plan for decades forward for 90 millions of people, especially those same people submerged in an ocean of 9 billion other people. If we can do something that will make the picture a little more predictable and less dangerous for a little forward, if we cut off some of the ugliest branches on the possibility tree (such as "Iran gets nukes and uses them to initiate the coming of the Twelfth Imam") that's already a huge achievement. But imagining you can control the whole tree and shape it to your will - isn't it a bit too much to expect? And yet, though we know it's impossible, we routinely demand our leaders to pretend they can do it easily and routinely.
I guess that's what attracts people to socialism - they promise there would be a Plan. Maybe some people will starve, and some will have to be killed, but look - we have a Plan! Nobody has a better Plan than we do! No matter this plan is never achieved - having it is enough, somehow.
This is a fully-general counterargument that can be used to defend any bad plan.
The fact is, the things that are currently going wrong in the Middle East were not unknown unknowns. They were not even known unknowns. These were well-known pitfalls that have been discussed for years. My high-school history teacher told us in a very stern voice that the Strait of Hormuz was a massively important trade route and that the reason Iran is so dangerous is that they control it.
It was not unforseeable that Iran would close the strait. It was not unforseeable that Israel would try to force America to commit by cutting-off deescalation pathways. It was not unforseeable that a ground invasion of a Middle Eastern country would turn into a quagmire.
"Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face" is a good argument against overly elaborate plans or plans that don't take account of the enemy's vote. When it becomes a fully generalizable argument against asking for any plan whatsoever, then it's just a deepity.
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