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Reads to me as even more slop infused than your own forays, which as you know I think are counter to the current official stance on LLM-posting -- my question as usual is: if bot-posts are officially not allowed, but nobody is ever willing to do anything about it, in what sense are they not allowed?
(I'm aware that you personally think that they should be allowed, but AFAIK this is not in fact the position of the mod-team as a whole; the law of the land so to speak?)
The official position is that AI usage is allowed, but cannot constitute the substance of one’s comment. If it wouldn’t pass the “low effort” rules without the AI additions, we’re probably going to mod it.
@self_made_human has modded accordingly.
Unfortunately, our best examples of what isn’t allowed tend to stop at the new user filter. You’d be surprised how many psycho-political manifestos we get from first-time posters.
An actual, obvious slippery slope. Poor rulemaking imo.
What would you recommend?
I would go for what should at least have some chance of keeping the human text production factor high on this site. Prohibit AI for text production - on the honor code, same as with other rules for good conduct. Some AI help with idea creation is ok.
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Then there is no rule at all -- and the slop-lovers among us will continue to push the line until the forum is largely bots arguing with each other.
Bad way to go.
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Figuring out where the line is here is a fun and impossible task. I like the "if it would be considered low effort if you removed the AI text" rule, but then if a comment has AI writing sufficiently integrated into it throughout, I guess that means it is just invalid period? But at the same time, a sufficiently integrated comment would either read as 100% AI or its edited well enough that no one would know. I love thinking about this.
I know you can't encourage them, but I'm sad we don't get to see these. Now that I don't use 4chan anymore my exposure to skitzo-slop is too low. I miss stuff like the The Philmarilion and the rock guy.
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My understanding of current consensus is that entirely or majority LLM written posts are banned.
The problem is that there is no consensus beyond that. If we had a rule, informal or not, that a suspected X% of AI is the cutoff for action, I would enforce that, even if I think that the acceptable value of X is larger than most.
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