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Claude Opus 4.7 knows who I am, by name, and without access to web search.
It also pegged me more often than not from an excerpt of text I'd written half a decade back, once again, without internet access. Well, fuck. I did always harbor aspirations of becoming famous enough a writer to be known to LLMs by name, but this also confirms my previously stated belief that privacy on the internet is on the way out. Pseudonyms won't save you, stylometry is all you need.
Look, the second sentence — and by the way, I know more about sentences than anybody, I went to Wharton, very good school, the best school, and they said "Arjin, you have the best sentences" — totally contradicts the first one, okay? It's like, and people don't talk about this, but I talked about it first, years ago, everyone knows it — the same thing, the SAME EXACT THING that these people, and we know who they are, want to use to take away your privacy, your beautiful privacy that our Founders fought for — did you know I was compared to Andrew Jackson? Very strong comparison, very flattering — that same thing can be used to PROTECT it! It's called turning the tables, I do it all the time in business, very successfully I might add. I could easily, SO easily, ask one of these AI things, these LLMs — and by the way, Elon is a friend of mine, great guy, we talk — I could say "rewrite this in the style of Donald J. Trump" and BOOM. Safe. Totally safe. The fake news won't tell you that, but it's true!
Yes, but why? Who wants to live like this?
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