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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 11, 2026

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What do you think about cyberlibertarianism?

Cyberlibertarianism is exactly what it sounds like: the belief that the internet should be fully unrestricted and ungoverned. The idea coalesced in the 1990s when the consensus on tech was far more optimistic.

I think it's a beautiful, unattainable ideal. It symbolizes (more than libertarianism) a broader absolute freedom and physical transcendence, to realize whatever you dream. But in reality, absolute freedom is impossible, power hierarchies are inevitable, and the internet is a physical construct that can be seized (on the other end of the spectrum, individuals and companies bypass without consequence internet restrictions like copyright, even in repressive countries via complex VPN setups). Intersectionally, the internet has led to good (e.g. long-distance communication with friends/family) and bad (e.g. asociality and toxicity from social media); should it be as unregulated as today if individuals and groups won't stop themselves from negative spirals (which may anyways lead to future violence and restrictions)?

Cyberlibertarianism's Origins

The ideas of cyberlibertarianism have been described in Cyberspace and the American Dream: A Magna Carta for the Knowledge Age (Esther Dyson, George Gilder, George Keyworth, Alvin Toffler, 1994) and A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace (John Perry Barlow, 1996).

Basically to summarize the latter, it begins with

Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.

and includes statements like

We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.

Langdon Winner's "foresight"

The actual term "cyberlibertarianism" first appeared in Cyberlibertarian Myths And The Prospects For Community (Langdon Winner, 1997).

I think this is a good read. In a sea of cyberlibertarian idealism and optimism, Winner was realistic and pessimistic. He actually defines cyberlibertarianism in detail, then predicts how it will be adopted and warped, in practice, with outcomes.

Specifically, Winner defines cyberlibertarianism by breaking it into four sub-beliefs:

  • Technological determinism: technology will rapidly, radically, inevitably reshape society
  • Radical individualism: technology will enable freedom and self-fulfillment, unencumbered by "inherited structures" like social obligation, money, and government
  • Free market, specifically from the Chicago school of economics. The Magna Carta argues for "property rights in cyberspace" by quoting Ayn Rand's The Property Status of Airwaves
  • Abundance and liberal democracy. As technology keeps getting faster and cheaper, digital scarcity won't exist. As the internet connects people, they'll get along better. As the internet grants everyone access to vast literature and free debate, societies will become more democratic

Then he pivots to realism with this (IMO) excellent paragraph

As is generally true of ideologies, this framework of thought serves to both illuminate and obscure. It certainly illuminates the desires and intentions of those who see themselves on the cutting edge of world-historical change in Silicon Valley, Seattle and other high tech centers. More specifically, it illuminates what are ultimately power fantasies that involve radical self-tranformation and the reinvention of society in directions assumed to be entirely favorable. But this ideology obfuscates a great many basic changes that underlie the creation of new practices, relations and institutions as digital technology and social life are increasingly woven together.

In the remainder, Winner successfully predicts that cyberlibertarian dogma will lead to:

  • Anticompetitive monopolies
    • Ultimately restricting individuals' freedom in the absence of government restrictions
    • Controlling the distribution of information, therefore influencing the zeitgeist, therefore influencing democracies
  • Dissolution or mutation of existing institutions in ways that aren't entirely positive
    • Replacement of physical communities with online ones, which are inadequate
      • Because they split into echo chambers
      • Because a minority of users carry the majority of discussion
    • Replacement of local stores with depersonalized online (centralized) ones

Winner didn't have extreme foresight, just observation. These "predictions" had already began: the television industry (e.g. CNN) was already large and influencing the zeitgeist to further its interests, toxic online communities had already started forming (e.g. Usenet), and local stores were already being replaced (e.g. by Amazon). Winner also looked at historical literature on philosophy, economics, and politics.

The Intolerable Hypocrisy of Cyberlibertarianism

This blogpost showed up on Hacker News and inspired my post.

tl;dr: the author of this rambling blogpost describes the evolution of the internet under cyberlibertarianism (the dominant viewpoint in its early years), then criticizes cyberlibertarianism using the problems of today's internet.

I don't really like it: it's full of ad hominems, meaningless analogies, and overconfident claims (especially about other's thoughts). But it's somewhat informative, and I agree with the underlying ideas: cyberlibertarianism is naively optimistic, hence today's internet has failed to reach its full expectations.

Yeah, Duggan is imo 100% wrong. This has nothing to do with ideology - today's social media is anything but cyberlibertarian anyway - and everything to do with what stupid and crazy people are like. They always existed, and always had these ideas. The only thing that has changed is that Duggan can now see them. Nothing got worse - if anything from my impression, the internet makes correct information easier to get than ever: Before, if you grew up in a crackpot community you might literally be unaware of the viability of alternative viewpoints well into your teens. Same deal for the relatively ubiquitous benign moderate religious communities. I've grown up in the latter, and we still had plenty of crackpots, too. Not to mention that Duggan seems like the kind of person who would like to just generally ban any speech to the right of Bernie Sanders.

what stupid and crazy people are like. They always existed, and always had these ideas. The only thing that has changed is that Duggan can now see them. Nothing got worse - if anything from my impression, the internet makes correct information easier to get than ever

I think unfortunately, this also goes the other way. Misinformation is also much easier to get, giving us the toaster fucker problem:

"Man wakes up in 1980, tells his friends "I want to fuck a toaster" Friends quite rightly berate and laugh at him, guy deals with it, maybe gets some therapy and goes on a bit better adjusted.

Guy in 2021 tells his friends that he wants to fuck a toaster, gets laughed at, immediately jumps on facebook and finds "Toaster Fucker Support group" where he reads that he's actually oppressed and he needs to cut out everyone around him and should only listen to his fellow toaster fuckers."

'Man wakes up in 2040, tells his friend "I want to fuck a toaster". The friend replies "You know you can just order a sexbot, right? I really don't want to know about the details."'

I mean with AI we're prettymuch already there in terms of art and fiction. Which is probably enough considering I've heard sufficient stories of 'person with massive boner for X fetish art/writing actually tries X fetish and squicks ungodly hard' on the internet

“Look, it’s been over 30 years since the show ended. Let it go.”

Obligatory.

Also extremely impressive considering it predates any non-research AI models by at least half a decade or more.

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