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The full text of the memorandum has been released and confirmed by the White House:
If this is signed as written on Friday, I predict major ructions in the GOP, particularly the Senate, which were already coming to a head before this.
So Iran gets $300B, no commitments to remove any mines before 30 days, and no commitments to allow toll-free passage after 60 days.
I guess $300B is cheap for foreign adventures these days. Maybe we'll be able to saddle some "allies" with part of it. I'm not sure if paying reparations was part of the plan, but perhaps some plan trusters can help me out.
It's an agreement to develop a plan for US and it's allies to spend $300B on reconstruction/economic development. The details and how to execute the plan comes later. It's not at all obvious to me that's 300B directly into their pockets vs spending 300B in some circular fashion back into our own industries or some other paper shuffling exercise.
According to Reuters, all the money is coming from private companies, not from governments.
Ah, there you have it. "The US agrees to develop a plan for its companies and those of its allies in the gulf states to privately invest 300B in Iranian industry" is not quite the transfer of 300B into their government's pockets that some are hyperventilating about, and it's a major economic incentive for further cooperation between the two nations.
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Oh my god, the administration is going to strong-arm Anthropic into financing data-centers in Iran.
With Earth's first Clay They did the Last Man knead,
And there of the Last Harvest sow'd the Seed:
And the first Morning of Creation wrote
What the Last Dawn of Reckoning shall read
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It's not clear to me what spending $300B on our own industries looks like. Unless we're going to loan them some dentists and barbers, it's probably going to look like Iran getting a whole bunch of capital at our expense. If we build e.g. a port for Iran, maybe this has some short run benefits for America, but Iran still gets a free port. That's one thing if Iran is our new best friend, but I'm not sure if that's the case.
Maybe we'd be better off spending $300B digging holes and filling them in again in the Mojave.
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