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The MOU Homesick Blues

Over the last two days, Donald Trump and JD Vance have been selling their embryonic Iran Deal to the American public and to the world. Trump has said, among other things:

  • Hamas is behaving very well these days.
  • Iran should have missiles. Why not?
  • We're going to unfreeze Iran's money. It's their money. Why should we steal their money?
  • If the war kept going there would have been an economic catastrophe. So we had to end it.
  • Some of the guys in the Islamic regime are really nice.
  • If Iran didn't open the Strait of Hormuz our oil reserves would have run out in 4 weeks. We had to make a deal.
  • Netanyahu is crazy. They keep killing innocent civilians. He needs to be more responsible.
  • Without me and America, Israel wouldn't exist.

Directly he states:

“The alternative to this deal was a global recession. There are stupid people who want to see a global recession. They are just stupid people. The Strait of Hormuz would never have been opened."

Along with this banger

“I think [Israel] could do better … I'm not saying they shouldn't protect themselves. I'm saying when two drones are shot into the desert and drop harmlessly, you don't have to knock down buildings in Beirut. They could behave better…”

JD has said:

“If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have left. 2/3 of the defensive weapons that have protected your homeland have been built by American hands and paid for by American tax dollars. The problem for Israel is not Donald J. Trump, and anybody in Israel who thinks their biggest problem is the President of the United States needs to wake up and smell the reality of the situation that country is in”

"Do I think there are people within Israeli society who would like to turn Iran into Libya, basically a failed state with 90 million people? Probably."

"What is your exact proposal? You’re a country of 9 million people. You can’t just kill your way out of solving every single national security problem that you have."

Israeli ministers have been striking out against the deal

For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn! With all due respect to the Americans, Israel must make it clear to the entire world that the blood of our sons and the security of our citizens are not forfeit. All of Lebanon must burn. Our supreme duty is to protect the citizens of Israel and the soldiers of the IDF, and this commitment takes precedence over every other consideration. I told the Prime Minister, even in our private meetings: For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. Enough with the ping-pong. In the Middle East, you don’t win with measured responses and restraint—you need to go berserk. To obliterate. To crush the terror.

The entire first line of Lebanese villages has been destroyed. We are destroying all the houses. The residents will never see them standing before their eyes again.

Now reports are coming in that Israel does not consider itself bound by the MOU, and intends to keep bombing Lebanon without reference to it.

The IRGC has stated today:

“Since Israel’s withdrawal from Lebanon, the complete lifting of the naval blockade, and the withdrawal of American terrorist forces from the Persian Gulf and the region are among the main conditions of the agreement between Iran and the United States. The Strait of Hormuz will remain closed until these conditions are met. All ships are requested, for the sake of their security and safety, not to approach the Strait of Hormuz. Any vessel that defies this directive will be targeted.”

With the United States executive committed to the MOU, and Israel committed to the opposite policy, Yeshiva World News reports:

Israeli officials told Maariv that Trump’s demands are not merely theoretical and that issues concerning Lebanon, Syria, and the Syrian Hermon were raised in recent discussions with Netanyahu, adding that the prime minister made it clear that Israel will not agree to withdrawing from its security positions in the north. A senior Israeli official told Reuters that Israel is carrying out “stubborn negotiations” with the US on maintaining its military presence in southern Lebanon and has no intention of backing down. The officials warned that the messages coming from Washington are no longer limited to difficult discussions. The US is signaling that if Israel continues to insist on its position, it will consider practical measures, ranging from delays in weapons shipments to restrictions on operational assistance, and even more severe steps that could potentially amount to a de facto arms embargo.

So, what now?

How does the USA navigate this problem with its erstwhile ally?

Part of me feels very strongly, the patriotic Toby Keith, regardless of your feelings about US policy or about this administration, that we can't have our president get cucked like that on the world stage. Trump has publicly signed, endorsed, justified, sold the MOU. He's stated clearly that it is necessary to the interests of the United States in maintaining the global economy. If Israel is our ally, our greatest ally, then they can't be allowed to do this to us. They can't insult and undermine the clear foreign policy of the POTUS and be allowed to do so. From the beginning I've said that Israeli forces, inasmuch as they are allied to the USA, should be under the command of an American general, Spartan style. They can't be allowed to go against us and continue to suck off the teat of the American taxpayer.

So plan trusters, antisemities, pro-Palestinians, shitlibs, anyone. Where do we go from here with Israel? What happens next? How can you, as the American President, allow your ally to undermine your own clearly stated foreign policy goals and, in your own opinion, wreck the world economy? At this point in the process what pressure can even be put on Iran?

This feels bad.

The problem is that Israel thinks they're a lot stronger and smarter than they actually are.

They think they can get away with 5D chess gambits like Netanyahu facilitating payments to Hamas so as to divide the Palestinians and so further pursue their divide and conquer/settle policy.

Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas

What a retard! Same with their overt and obnoxious propaganda campaign, how Israel has 'the most moral army'. It's been counterproductive.

They think they're a military superpower, yet they can't seem to handle Lebanon. The Lebanese army isn't even fighting them, just Hezbollah. They fought Hamas for a couple of years and didn't manage to destroy a small force, totally encircled, without air power or any heavy weapons. Somehow Hamas got the drop on them in October 7th, so much for all-knowing Mossad!

But they think they can take on Iran?

The Israeli military is not that capable, it can't perform the (challenging) offensive tasks their politicians have in mind. They can do standoff attacks and elaborate assassination stunts. They can shoot and shell and scorch the earth but can't seem to hold much ground. Unfortunately for them, ground wars are won by holding ground and destroying armies.

The solution is to puncture their delusions of strength. The US should cut off military support until Israel complies with commands. F-35s can't fly without spare parts. Israel relies heavily on US satellites and aerial refuelling and the actual munitions themselves. Israel's military-industrial base is weak and top heavy, just like the military itself. They design drones and high-tech weapons. But they can't produce the myriad precursors in steel and chemicals needed for those weapons. No country of 10 million can. It makes no sense to be selling or transferring (the US has these stocks of weapons 'pre-deployed' in Israel that Israel sometimes taps) munitions and parts to a country harming one's national interests, while America also faces a shortage of munitions.

Israel is a small country and needs to start acting like it. Less bombing, more peace treaties and a bit of sincerity in actually adhering to ceasefires and accepting limits on territorial aspirations. Israel has never even officially defined the permanent territory in its borders, they're incredibly opportunistic and aggressive.

They think they're a military superpower, yet they can't seem to handle Lebanon. The Lebanese army isn't even fighting them, just Hezbollah. They fought Hamas for a couple of years and didn't manage to destroy a small force, totally encircled, without air power or any heavy weapons.

I don't think there's a single nation or ever was that could handle entrenched urban enemies while also caring about PR, in an enviroment where their opponent is encouraged (by the international response) to have as many of their own civilians be casualties as possible.

It's like how the US was easily able to destroy almost the entire Iranian conventional Navy and Air Force, but struggled to destroy the more hidden IGRC weapons. Doesn't mean the US isn't a superpower, no matter what doomers want to say. Remember when Trump threatened the power plants, and the Iranians had civilians ringing them? Choosing not to bomb them doesn't mean you can't.

The US did it in Iraq, they secured ground against an entrenched enemy - and in much larger cities too. US infantry are actually decent at fighting. Or Russian infantry, they secure cities too. They took Mariupol, it was a tough fight against committed Azov defenders. They took Bakhmut, which is bigger and a lot better defended than these random hills in Lebanon. But they actually take ground and once ground is taken it stays taken. The Israelis go on these raiding missions into Gaza and blow things up but can't seem to take and hold territory.

caring about PR

The Israelis 'care about PR' but would never let it affect their military tactics, which include terror bombing, torturing prisoners and just randomly shooting people. They go on twitter and write these random screeds. This is from the Israeli minister of national security:

For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn! With all due respect to the Americans, Israel must make it clear to the entire world that the blood of our sons and the security of our citizens are not forfeit. All of Lebanon must burn. Our supreme duty is to protect the citizens of Israel and the soldiers of the IDF, and this commitment takes precedence over every other consideration.

I told the Prime Minister, even in our private meetings: For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. Enough with the ping-pong. In the Middle East, you don't win with measured responses and restraint—you need to go berserk. To obliterate. To crush the terror.

But even with them blowing up all these buildings, dropping all these bombs - that is not achieving political goals! Even if what you say is true and that no nation can handle entrenched urban enemies while 'caring about PR' against tough, determined foes. Then that should affect strategy. I would simply not attempt military operations that cannot achieve my political goals, or that cost more than they gain!

Same with the US. Blowing up the Iranian airforce and navy, even if the US actually did that and it's not just cope... who cares? Did it accomplish US political goals? No! Blowing up power plants would've just seen the Iranians blow up more oil facilities in the Middle East. That doesn't help America achieve its goals, quite the reverse.

If Israel wants to conserve its international reputation, avoid casualties, conquer land, defeat and divide its enemies... well it needs to prioritize, Israel is not a great power and can't have all of those things simultaneously. The US can't do everything it wants simultaneously against determined opponents. If Israel embrace a doctrine of using human shields (the 'mosquito protocol') to approach boobytrapped buildings, that's necessarily going to affect your international reputation. There are tradeoffs and limitations for these powers.

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