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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 29, 2026

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The left was ultimately correct. ACAB.

The left was ultimately wrong because the first A stands for "All". Not all cops are bastards: some of them are some of them are not. The way to increase good behavior is to incentivize it, which can't be done if you just throw universal qualifiers "all" or "none" and then make demands based on these assumptions. We should not de-fund all police, we should de-fund corrupt police and replace them with better ones. We should have body cams and impartial audits and clear rules for how they should behave and then give them immunity if and only if they followed the rules, and not give them immunity when they don't.

But yeah, I mostly agree with your conclusions. If you live in an anarcho-tyranny where the police are more likely to side with criminals than victims, then ordinary people will be incentivized to form and join gangs for mutual protection and avoid police intervention. First and foremost people want to be safe, and once they realize the system isn't doing that they're going to create alternatives.

I don’t think the left views cops as bastards because police mistreat the left. Instead, it is hatred of hierarchies. Thus, ACAB because cops are part of the hierarchy.

In contrast, the right can view cops as an instrument.

"The Left" views cops as bastards because criminals and thieves are their cops (they policing Injustice and enforcing Reparations).

If I were the Left I'd be demonizing the social forces that oppose their cops. Thus, the actual cops are one of the Left's most legible enemies (and why countries where state force is weaker keep their authorities masked, including the agency of the US charged with deporting the Left's cops).

It's a hatred of being "undeservedly" inferior on the hierarchy. Most leftists mad that ACAB would be far worse with any crumb of power they ever got ahold of.

If you live in an anarcho-tyranny where the police are more likely to side with criminals than victims, then ordinary people will be incentivized to form and join gangs for mutual protection and avoid police intervention.

Except that ordinary people have been conditioned over the centuries to just not DO that. They'll keep going to the police even when it's futile or counterproductive, and they'll be horrified if any of their fellows attempts to start a gang.