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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 10, 2026

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You don't seem to have studied the subject of suicide at all.

No but I do understand basic logic and know that "someone killing themselves" necessarily means "someone killing themselves". It is the suiciders very own action.

Someone with major depression can't make (or not make) the same choices you can make.

I'm all for suicide prevention and trying to help people out, but there is no world in which it's not their choice. If it wasn't their own actions then it wouldn't be suicide it would be murder. If you're arguing for some expansive definition of the phrase where it involves other people then go ahead I suppose, but under the general meaning that I was using suicide is necessarily their own choice, even if we agree it's an illogical one.

If not, who do you propose we should charge for Arday's death, if someone else is responsible? Maybe the writers at the Guardian or the Telegraph.

If not, who do you propose we should charge for Arday's death, if someone else is responsible? Maybe the writers at the Guardian or the Telegraph.

Who's proposing to charge anybody for Arday's suicide?

It's good to distinguish between what's good and what's legal with the understanding that law can never completely account for the complexity of moral judgement. There are bad behaviors that perhaps should never be made illegal, but that doesn't mean we can't still consider them bad.

Who's proposing to charge anybody for Arday's suicide?

I don't know how we can say "X is responsible for Y's death" and "X should not be punished" at the same time. Causing another person's death is one of the worst things that someone can do, and should be disincentived!

There are bad behaviors that perhaps should never be made illegal, but that doesn't mean we can't still consider them bad.

I'm one of the most libertarian small government people here and completely agree, and have argued this about drugs and children transitioning and all sorts of other controversial topics. But causing the death of another person is not something I would ever make an exception for, it's literally harmful to others. That is like the one thing law is for.

The thing here isn't that causing death should be legal, it's that mean words != causing death.

I don't know how we can say "X is responsible for Y's death" and "X should not be punished" at the same time.

I don't know why you think this is some kind of dilemma that you can't figure out. In order to punish someone, not only do they have to have done a bad thing, but you need to be able to prove they did a bad thing in such a way that you are not also going to punish or disincentivise a lot of innocent people. That may not be possible.

It is in England.

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