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Just as follow on, and in the spirit that everything related to Trump is culture war:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/19/politics/trump-voters-of-color-analysis/
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This fact should be the smoking gun that we're not talking about the same thing that we used to with the term "racism". The american public pretends to believe that Trump was more racist than Wallace.
This is political realignment from the inside. It's slow, it could reverse or it could continue. I believe very strongly that the political coalitions are going to change composition quite a bit in the coming decade. I don't know what the issues will be, but the separation between the working class (see our discussion in last week's thread) and the middle class is becoming big enough to win elections on. The question is which party will get which side, and in what quantities.
As a point for discussion, if (and it's a big "if) the Republicans fully take up the flag of the working class, would that make them the left-leaning party?
No, for the same reason the torries failed, the mainstream right parties are the parties of corrupt oligarchs who signal to the working class by making fun of woke people. The democrats are portrayed as the elite party among online right wingers, but the republicans are to a great extent the party of Boeing, Raytheon, or Exon mobile. Boris Johnsson could be funny, but in the end his brexit ended with replacing polish workers with Pakistani cheap labour, since his donor class voters want open borders. The working people who supported brexit weren't specifically hating eastern Europeans, they didn't want immigration. The republicans will be more loyal to the military industrial empire and wall street than to their working class voters. Four years of Trump, and he delivered on everything he promised to Israel and almost nothing he promised his base.
Most left voters are not online twitter mobs. Most of them want cheaper health care, they dislike extreme wealth disparity, and they want to protect the environment. Instead of having an honest discussion surrounding the grievances of most democrat voters, the online right fights bipolar 21-year-olds having a meltdown on a college campus, ignoring that 29950 out of 30000 students on that campus were not protesting some event.
The mainstream right has tanked all over the western world. In the anglosphere the right as a whole has tanked because of the first past the post voting system. In the rest of the west, newer right wing parties have picked up the slack.
Boeing, Raytheon and Exxon all contribute fairly equally to Dems and Repubs. All favored Biden over Trump.
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/raytheon-technologies/summary?topnumcycle=2022&contribcycle=2022&lobcycle=2022&outspendcycle=2022&id=D000072615&toprecipcycle=2020
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/boeing-co/summary?topnumcycle=2022&contribcycle=2022&lobcycle=2022&outspendcycle=2022&id=d000000100&toprecipcycle=2020
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs//summary?topnumcycle=2022&contribcycle=2022&lobcycle=2022&outspendcycle=2022&id=D000000129&toprecipcycle=2020
It is true that the left and their allies in the military industrial empire did prevent Trump from ending existing wars and conspired to mislead the American people about him (ze russkies!!!). Wall St has been solidly part of the left for 20 years.
You might be confusing Trump and the populist right with Liz Cheney.
That's people who work for those companies, not the companies themselves.
Yes, the links I provided also explain that.
An HR manager at Exxon or an accountant at Boeing sending a couple of hundred bucks to Biden, Hillary, or Bernie does not equal the tons of SuperPAC spending in favor of Republican candidates that all three of those companies have backed for decades. Especially Exxon. Rayheon and Boeing are slightly more split, due to home state concerns and making sure congresspeople in military base districts keep the pork coming, but the idea that Wall Street and Exxon are left-wing now, because they don't fully buy into the fever dreams of the right-wing fringe of the country is frankly, kind of silly.
It seems in your world a group is part of the "left" if they accept non-white, LGBT, and women exist, and thus, can be important parts of a capitalist economy. Which is all Wall Street really does.
The reality is your talk about how Trump was "stopped" from ending the wars (weird how "ending the wars" turned into heavily expanding dronee warfare) just shows how non-existent the populist right actually is, and how few actual populist right voters there are, at least in the way you're talking about. Because even if I disagreed with him, a true right-wing populist who truly cared about ending wars, instead of getting distracted by 89 different issues would've had a speech on TV every day about ending the war, fired members of the Joint Chiefs until he got who he wanted, and actually compromised on other issues to say, get left-wing people who wanted out of Afghanistan behind him.
Instead, he failed, and the true dove Joe Biden, got us out of Afghanistan, basically ended the drone war, and is currently beating down another power, without a drop of American blood, all with basically the equipment we've had sitting in the back of the DOD's garage for a decade.
Is a straw man you invented, along with the rest of your comment.
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Ukraine is not another power. Just because Biden Jr and Sr both have a history there does not mean the Ukrainian people have to die over it.
Oh and he ended Roe v Wade too! Praise to Biden!
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Trump didn't even manage to run the party when he was president. Trump really didn't deliver on much, where is the wall? Two years of republican presidency and congress under Trump and not much to show for it. Trump could make funny tweets until he got banned but when it comes down to it it is the Liz Cheney types that run the show.
Of course not, you seem to be forgetting that we are talking about Republicans and not Democrats. The Republican party is specifically organized in such a way no one candidate can "run the party". That decentralization of power is one of republicanism's core tenets and also the primary reason that an "insurgent" candidate like Trump could even win the nomination first place.
In an alternate universe where the Republican party was organized along more "democratic lines" Jeb would have crushed both Trump and Cruz under his boot-heel with the same ease that Clinton crushed Sanders under hers.
Nah, the issue was that Hillary was near the median Democrat's views on things, plus she was well known, while Jeb was far to the left of the median Republican primary voter. Ironically, Citizen's United has been terrible for the GOP Establishment, because any weirdo billionaire with wacky views can back a candidate in a primary.
...and from the perspective of a lot of ordinary Republicans this is a feature rather than a bug. Which part of the "decentralization of power is one of republicanism's core tenets" bit did you not understand?
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Citizens United was about corporate independent expenditures, not individual.
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Recall that the question you were answering is premised on the Trump wing beating the Cheney wing. You are now saying the Trump wing has not successfully beaten the Cheney wing yet.
That's true, but kind of a non sequitur.
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Three SCOTUS judges. Although they'll certainly rule mostly in ways favorable to the Cheney wing, things like Roe are also very much not what the Republican elite care about.
Overall, though, you're right: Trump was wildly ineffective. Which is why lazy and undisciplined isn't what you want if there's a better alternative on offer (I suspect most of the populist right would say there wasn't an alternative.)
The three SCOTUS judges were much more an accomplishment of McConnell and the FedSoc than of Trump. It's just that the only thing the Trumpist wing of the party hates more than Democrats is Mitch McConnell, so he's conveniently left out of that part of the narrative.
No. McConnell was centrally important in getting Trump's nominees confirmed, and Leonard Leo from the FedSoc was in charge of vetting the nominations, but it was Trump that put Leo in charge and selected candidates from Leo's short list. Putting Leo in charge of judicial nominations was a key part of Trump's strategy to attract the votes of the Republican base--which was not part of his initial core support--to the benefit of both.
Trump will get credit for the actions of his Supreme Court appointments as part of his legacy, just like every other President. He also deserves this credit no less than any other President, as Leo was his choice to vet nominations, and Trump himself decided which candidates made the final cut.
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