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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 27, 2023

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He is being charged with a state crime, not a federal one. The federal crime is re campaign donations .

Nice try to deflect. He is being tried with a state felony that rests on him committing the federal crime. The state needs to prove as a predicate the federal crime so in effect the state needs to prove the federal crime in order to get the state felony conviction.

There appears to be no requirement that they prove he actually committed another crime, but only that he intended to commit another crime.

You're just kicking the can down the road. They still have to prove that what they claim he intended was in fact a crime, when the relevant authority already said it isn't.

  1. No, the relevant authorities simply declined to prosecute.

  2. Only courts, not prosecutors, can definitively say whether something constitutes a crime. It is a separation of powers issue. Prosecutors' opinions are not binding on anyone.

  3. Regardless, OP is incorrect to say that the state is charging him with a federal crime. Even if the DA has to prove that he committed the federal crime, he is not charged with that crime. If he is convicted, judgment will be entered on the state crime alone, not the federal crime, and the punishment will be that imposed for the state crime. It is no different than when a person convicted of child molestation in TX moves to CA and is charged with frequenting playgrounds. The DA must prove that he committed the TX crime, but the DA is trying him for violation of a CA law, not a TX law.

No one is fucking saying he would be booked under federal law and yes it is entirely different from your example. It would be as if CA decided that someone who moved from Texas can be charged with frequenting playgrounds because CA thinks he violated a Texas law despite Texas never actually trying him.

There are numerous legal commentators suggesting this is novel (including the NYT). No one is even saying this novelty is dispositive but it goes to the prudential matter of “should you prosecute.” Your schtick here grows tiresome.

No one is fucking saying he would be booked under federal law

Dude, that is exactly what OP said: "It's not a big stretch for a state prosecutor to charge an individual with a federal crime?"

No one is even saying this novelty is dispositive

Again, that is exactly what OP said. OP claimed that this is "a state prosecutor ... charg[ing] an individual with a federal crime", which would in fact be dispositive, because a state court does not have jurisdiction to try a federal crime. But that is not what is happening.

It would be as if CA decided that someone who moved from Texas can be charged with frequenting playgrounds because CA thinks he violated a Texas law despite Texas never actually trying him.

Which is exactly my point: The CA prosecutor would have to prove the conviction took place, but the prosecutor would not thereby be "charg[ing] an individual with a [Texas] crime", as OP claimed. As @MadMonzer noted, this is completely normal, and it does not transform the prosecution of a CA crime into the prosecution of a TX crime.

The whole substance of the underlying indictment argument is that Trump intended to commit a federal crime and by dint of that crime NYS can charge a separate crime. Of course, no federal prosecutor has attempted to bring that crime.

What that means is that NYS is effectively trying to enforce federal law in substance if not in name. That is what OP was saying.

Once again, this is entirely different from your California example. It would be akin to California saying “We think defendant violated Texas law; despite Texas never charging him or finding him guilty we are going to say it was a violation of Texas law and because we say it is a violation of Texas law we can now bring this separate California charge.”

That is not normal. Not even close.

It raises many questions. For example, if there are questions as to what is in fact Texas law (the defendant could say the law is Y, California could say X — does California court get to determine what is Texas law; what if there are constitutional issues with the Texas law — does a California court get to decide those matters). Once again, this is entirely different from a situation where another forum has adjudicated a matter under that forum’s law.

That is what OP was saying.

No, OP was saying that the state was charging a violation of Federal law, which of course WOULD BE illegitimate were that the case. But it isn't.

if there are questions as to what is in fact Texas law (the defendant could say the law is Y, California could say X — does California court get to determine what is Texas law; what if there are constitutional issues with the Texas law — does a California court get to decide those matters)

Yes. But a CA court's decision re TX law is not binding on TX courts, while a TX court's decision re TX law is binding on CA courts.