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Ok but Christians don’t regard performance of ceremonies as virtues. Priest are in hell. Popes are not automatically Saints and many are not. People raised to Sainthood are people who are believed to have inner virtue. The reasons ceremonies are performed are to remind yourself of beliefs and virtues etc while also doing things that have specific connections with god - like the Eucharist’s.
I think deep down what you are getting at in your posts is that they realized hbd is true. It’s likely magnified by the barbell strategy of the left where they do well with the top 20% and bottom 30% of society. And the minorities in the left dominate the bottom 30%. With the right doing better in the middle class it means they would have I guess relatively underperforming whites and over performing minorities which would be closer on intelligence.
I think are just showing that they are aware of group differences. But I don’t think it really changed that they “really love minorities”.
Damn dawg, are you sure you want to enter the "Getting Banned Speedrun Any%" track this early?
At the very least we don't do the whole name calling thing here, as tempting as that is at times.
Certainly nothing Sliders said is deserving of that response.
It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off for 'em 😁
Strong early entry in the Speedrun, but can they keep up the momentum? It's a medium strong maneouvre, and may fall short of more pithy, fiery, and insulting later entries. We'll have to see the rest of the field to judge as time goes by and the mods lose patience!
His account is 5 months old, so a relatively geriatric contestant, but I don't count him out just yet!
This spectating is not actually contributing to the quality of the forum any more than he is.
How about if we set up a prediction market on the question? In my view, it's the same as betting anyway, though I don't think we should be encouraging gambling and throwing money away.
"Prediction market" just sounds better, more high-toned, more STEMy.
Honestly a separate thread for gambling(I am simple bachelor, no need for polite euphemisms as I don’t need to hide it from my wife) on who’s gonna get banned might be fun. But in the CWR?
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