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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 24, 2023

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I recommend watching this brief video from the PF leader published yesterday as a response to the convictions if you want to get a sense... they are true believers in Americana and they are betting on the average Joe rather than a Judge. I've wondered the same thing, as a Judge would be sticking his or her neck out there with a guilty verdict without a Jury to provide for cover.

But the Judge didn't dismiss the charges, and sentenced them to jail. Although the prosecutors were calling for the max 1-year sentence and mandatory volunteering at a Civil Rights NGO, and the judge actually provided a much lighter sentence than that.

Did the prosecution really ask firm mandatory civil rights NGO time?

That’s re education.

https://cdapress.com/news/2023/jul/21/patriot-front-members-jailed-banned-cd/

Prosecutors had recommended the maximum fine of $5,000, as well as the maximum sentence of a year in jail, with 10 days of actual jail time and 40 hours of community service.

Wes Somerton, chief criminal deputy city attorney for Coeur d’Alene, suggested the Patriot Front members could be made to volunteer at a human rights organization in order to show them other viewpoints.

“Other people’s rights and voices do have a place in the fabric of America,” Somerton said.

In court Friday, the defendants each addressed the court, saying they respected the jury’s decision but maintained that their intent was to peacefully protest in Coeur d’Alene, not incite a riot.

I find that entirely repugnant. It is one thing to do community service by say picking up garbage. That seems hard to argue it isn’t community service. But forcing people to basically engage in political action is to me beyond the pale and the lawyer should face discipline.

I don't really like to watch videos.

Given that you are posting this story, and they are protesting a pride parade I just figured they were thinly veiled neo Nazis. Probably not very sympathetic to a jury.

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They are, and don't do much veiling. Their logo is literally a fasces copied from Mussolini's original fascist party logo with the same distinctive orientation and blade type, and leaks show they reject applicants whose idea of American nationalism is based on adherence to cultural/ideological positions rather than based on someone's racial ancestry.

In another revealing question, interviewees were asked whether they subscribed to the “civnat” or “civic nationalist” position. Civic nationalism is a form of nationalism that is based in classical liberalism, and couples a virulent nationalism with some level of ethnic inclusivity—positing that a nation is composed of all those who adhere to its constitution or founding principles. All interviewees who were accepted expressed their opposition to this ideology, typically stating that “there is an ethnic component to being an American” and that “nationhood cannot be bestowed to those not of the founding stock.”

One interviewee, who was rejected for membership, said that he “isn’t comfortable judging an entire culture. Is more comfortable with Japanese migrants than Cuban migrants. Thinks that an ethnostate may not be achievable, unless everyone gets really tired. It isn’t the hill he’d die on.” Although this response may be considered racist by mainstream standards, for Patriot Front interviewers it indicated an excessive level of flexibility around ethnicity. Incorrect responses to this question appear to be the most common reason interviewees were rejected (although interviewees were also rejected after being deemed “obese” and “gay” by group leaders).

When they recently attempted to crash a MAGA rally they got their asses kicked by the attendees. Not a particularly popular bunch even among the demographic they're trying to target for recruiting and persuasion.

Having read that link, I’m not impressed by the quality of the research here. It’s a bunch of statements by random, unidentified people, none of the details being double checked, no person has attempted to contact the group under cover to see if any of these random stories check out, or if the people they’re using as witnesses were actually trying to get into the group. HI12345 might be a real recruit. Or he might be someone pretending to have been a real recruit. It’s not clear.

When they recently attempted to crash a MAGA rally they got their asses kicked by the attendees. Not a particularly popular bunch even among the demographic they're trying to target for recruiting and persuasion.

Well, that's not Patriot Front in that video...

They were arrested for trying to protest a drag event, which has become popular in conservative circles. I'm not sure that a judge would be more sympathetic than an average person.

Wait are you saying drag is popular in conservative circles or protesting drag events are popular?

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