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HISD to eliminate librarians and convert libraries into disciplinary centers at NES schools
Not worth a post as top level thread on it's own; but hilariously dystopic enough to post here. It's only one (admittedly large and important) SD, but this is the type of shit Margret Atwood would write about as a totally out there thought experiment.
Hopefully enough people get mad it stops there.
Can somebody please steelman the case for libraries at all? Certainly there was a time when writing things down on dead trees was important, and publishing a book was an important way of contributing to the collective knowledge, but that just isn't the case anymore.
The libraries should be removed from every school, certainly the people with "library science" degrees should be removed, and the space should be used for something more in line with the original intent. Every school should get a few H100s, make a more advanced computing lab, put a CNC mill in there, etc. Libraries should basically be very well funded makerspaces at this point, not shelves of useless books.
I guess I get a library as a sortof throwback to something that was needed a long time ago, but at this point books are like vinyl records. Cool, and I love them, and dream of having a massive library in my home some day, and I am a compulsive book buyer, but...not really necessary for a school. In addition to that, it seems like L I B R A R Y has become some sort of cultural importance for the left, where scary book burning or book bans has become somehow meaningful to them.
Get rid of the libraries. Replace them with materials science labs or something cool.
I can't imagine how jealous I'd be as a postgrad at some university if high schools were getting more H100s than me... Just stick them in the cloud for the best high-schoolers in the country to use if they can!
Books are useful for children, for developing reading skills if nothing else. Where else are they going to develop vocabularies? Tiktok? Libraries should be modernized, maybe some Kindle e-readers would be more economical. Webnovels, manga, whatever... temples to the written word are still relevant today.
Okay this is fair. Maybe a library for children's books? (I'm thinking like...5 years old and younger?)
This is kindof the world I want. Some cool resources are available to high schools to the point that it makes other's jealous. Noboyd on earth is jealous of a high school library. Change that and make the "library" something cool/something to be proud of!
Why just five years and younger? Reading skills develop long after that. I can't imagine anyone here would endorse any other policy which is even remotely adjacent to "schools should not teach anything beyond what can be mastered by a 5-yr-old." (Note that I am not saying you are advocating that. Only that what you are advocating is adjacent thereto).
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I don't know about anyone else but while I learned to read in early grade school, I developed my reading skill and vocabulary between maybe 12-18 reading adult fiction, plenty of it borrowed from libraries.
I don't see the purpose of people with degrees in "librarian science" though.
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