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That's just what a Fed would say. Encourage action, and then bring down the hammer for acting.
you'd be an idiot t presume otherwise
what makes you think "deserve" has anything to do with it?
Did you just come out of suspended animation after being put into cryogenic storage in the year 2012?
Yes, the feds are reading and listening to all of this shit. Yes, they are practically omnipresent on the internet. There's no controversy, there's no disputing it - details of the classified programs which are responsible for this surveillance have been leaked and you can just go read the training slides put together by the NSA to train their contractors on how to use these systems. The individual venue of discussion doesn't matter - when those topics are brought up in the clearnet, it gets government attention. Even me, some random person on the internet, knows enough about the NSA surveillance system that it'd take me less than a day to craft a query which returns every single place on the internet where certain problematic ideas are discussed. I'm legitimately interested in how you can actually think this given the extensive public disclosures that have already been made, because the only alternative I can think of is that you just haven't ready any news or current events for over a decade - in which case why are you posting about something you know nothing about?
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