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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 11, 2023

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Who has ever said that cleaners are a net negative on society? Why do you believe they can be classified as net negative because their wages are low? In a medieval agricultural society, you could argue that every farmer is “net negative” individually because the Lord provides more in resources for their protection and administration… but this would be forgetting that those resources are wholly the result of the farmers. If I own a cleaning company and I hire illegal migrants and I take most of their wages just because I can, and then I hire an overseas Indian to oversee my fiefdom company’s day-to-day, who is bad for society here? Isn’t it me? So I don’t think a wages-only analysis works here.

If a factory needs 5 people to work the machines but union regulations require them to hire 25 people instead of 5 then yes, each and every single member of the group of "workers" is a parasite sucking on the teat of the group of people who are "factory owners"

Why? You are alleging it’s now better for society to have less people employed, less people paid more, which means more people stressed, more people unhealthy, more health problems, less civic engagement. You want to live in a society where more people are worse off, so that someone “at the top” who may not even be financially or socially invested in the community has more to spend on overpriced foreign goods and overpriced foreign women. You really need to flesh out your argument more instead of assuming your wages-only premise is correct.

I was more or less going to type out your comment. Why would anyone easily assert that cleaners are net negatives? Talk about a claim in need of serious justification.

In a free market the cleaners would never be a net negative utility to the rest of society. The issue are the government programs which provide them extra pay which can be argued is good on being a human terms. One can certainly build economic models that certain workers due to socialism in our society have negative utility to society and the math would be solid.

The problem with this calculation is "the rest of society" excludes the cleaners themselves.

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