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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 18, 2023

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The funny thing about anti-semitism is any serious cultural study of Jewish Culture/history would fall under anti-semitism atleast as espoused by the ADL.

In what way?

Of all the major religions they are the only one that doesn’t recruit members. It’s a chosen people. For a lot of history it does appear they’ve maintained a state within a state (less so for modern secular Jews today) and the ADL does declare things like “Jews having sympathies to Israel over America” as antisemitic.

They lists “Jews have too much power” - that makes discussing Jewish at one point being >20% of Ivy graduates, insane amount of Hollywood representation, Goldman Sachs, and overall Jewish grossly disproportionate representation at the top of a lot of fields difficult.

Feel like ADL publishes a list of antisemitism and a lot of the lists would have difficult bits to cover.

It’s because antisemitism atleast by the ADL doesn’t just mean don’t do genocide or hate us.

Of all the major religions they are the only one that doesn’t recruit members

Hinduism? It doesn't strike me as a religion that actively seeks new members, though it is open to converts (just like Judaism). Of course, these converts may or may not always be treated as equal in practice. But that's another topic.

I think you get to my point later. Jews are to an a great extent an ethnic religion closed to outsiders with some of their own ethnostate institutions.

It does appear many orthodox still do keep boundaries between themselves and broader society and don’t fully integrate into the American melting part.

I don’t think it’s anti-Catholic to question whether a Catholic Potus first loyalty is to America or the Pope. (I believe a Catholic would have loyalty to the Popr first). But if you accuse a Jew of having sympathies to Israel First etc it’s declared antisemitic.

So if the Pope goes to war on America, you expect the Catholic POTUS to side with the Pope over USA, or at least give them remotely equal consideration?

Because here's the thing: if he doesn't, then I would not say he is loyal to the Pope first. If he does, then it's a big problem to have such a person as the POTUS, and it would be a problem if a person loyal to Israel to that extent was POTUS, and it's easy for me to see how Jews see it as an accusation and an unfair one at that. It's effectively calling them a potential traitor.

Well yes. That’s the vowels you take. Not sure it’s unfair. That’s the nature of religion.

I mean it can be a good thing. Catholic regions in Germany were the least supportive of Hitler. That’s the vows they take.

I don’t consider it anti-Catholic to recognize I answer to something above nation and we long took tbose accusations. It’s a big reason Catholics are preferred Supreme Court Justices because we aren’t malleable.

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