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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
With the reports of Egypt notifying Israel in advance of an impending attack, people here and elsewhere have wondered if Bibi maybe let the attack slip through on purpose to consolidate power. Overnight he went from dealing with protests against his judicial reforms and the draft to having those problems disappear and securing the full backing of a broad unity government with his former opposition.
An overwhelming majority of 86% of respondents, including 79% of coalition supporters, said the surprise attack from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership...
Furthermore, almost all of the respondents (94%) believe the government has responsibility for the lack of security preparedness that led to the assault on the South, with over 75% saying the government holds most of the responsibility...
A slim majority of 56% said Netanyahu must resign at the end of the war, with 28% of coalition voters agreeing with this view.
In addition, 52% of respondents also expect Defense Minister Yoav Gallant to resign.
In addition, most respondents also noted that they do not trust the government to lead the war on Gaza, though the poll was held prior to former defense minister Benny Gantz joining an emergency unity government on Wednesday evening.
Is there any way for Bibi to hold onto power? If not, what might the future look like?
The reports that Netanyahu[1] knew about the attack and let it happen has even less credibility than the story about 40 beheaded/burned babies yanked from incubators, the ghost of Kiev, Trump pisstapes being sent via DNS packet backchannels to a bank's email server, Sadaam yellowcake, or Bush personally planning 9/11.
It's just speculation on speculation on speculation and imo not even worthy of mentioning without a heavy dose of "yeah this sounds crazy but whatif".
[1]: It's a very interesting meme that people have started referring to him as "Bibi". This seems new to me.
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With the reports of Egypt notifying Israel in advance of an impending attack, people here and elsewhere have wondered if Bibi maybe let the attack slip through on purpose to consolidate power. Overnight he went from dealing with protests against his judicial reforms and the draft to having those problems disappear and securing the full backing of a broad unity government with his former opposition.
But Jerusalem Post just released a pretty damning poll:
Is there any way for Bibi to hold onto power? If not, what might the future look like?
The reports that Netanyahu[1] knew about the attack and let it happen has even less credibility than the story about 40 beheaded/burned babies yanked from incubators, the ghost of Kiev, Trump pisstapes being sent via DNS packet backchannels to a bank's email server, Sadaam yellowcake, or Bush personally planning 9/11.
It's just speculation on speculation on speculation and imo not even worthy of mentioning without a heavy dose of "yeah this sounds crazy but whatif".
[1]: It's a very interesting meme that people have started referring to him as "Bibi". This seems new to me.
It's easier to spell but has been used in headlines and newspapers for decades. The man has been in and out of power since Clinton after all.
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