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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
What should Israel do to ensure that an attack like the one launched by Hamas never happens again? I don’t know right now.
This is basically all I seem to be hearing. Nobody knows what Israel should do (or rather, they have some sort of vague shopping list of 'hearts and minds' and 'developing Gaza'* with no idea how to make it happen in reality) but everyone apparently knows what it shouldn't do.
The only difference seems to be who the "how we got here" padding blames.
* Somehow, when you're dealing with terrorists that will literally steal infrastructure for weapons and brag about it.
Sure. Just be Romans. Then you can see your enemies driven before you and hear the lamentations of their women and love them and be redeemed by Christ.
The Roman Empire. Christians went from being eaten by lions in the Colloseum to being the official religion of the empire without ever raising an insurrection or fighting a civil war. It only took about 300 years of non-violent acceptance of persecution.
This is basically all I seem to be hearing. Nobody knows what Israel should do (or rather: they have some sort of vague shopping list of 'hearts and minds' and 'developing Gaza'* with no idea how to make it happen in reality) but everyone apparently knows what it shouldn't do.
I basically go up to everyone condemning Israel and say "zap! you're now the PM of Israel. what's your next move?" and I generally get a range from "Israel should follow international law" (hand wavehand wave) with no specifics on how they protect their security and sovereignty doing that, all the way to something the Heath Ledger version of The Joker would say.
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This is basically all I seem to be hearing. Nobody knows what Israel should do (or rather, they have some sort of vague shopping list of 'hearts and minds' and 'developing Gaza'* with no idea how to make it happen in reality) but everyone apparently knows what it shouldn't do.
The only difference seems to be who the "how we got here" padding blames.
* Somehow, when you're dealing with terrorists that will literally steal infrastructure for weapons and brag about it.
Convert to Christianity and learn to love your enemies.
Taking this seriously, has this ever worked?
Seemed to work in the Northlands - bloodthirsty Vikings becoming orderly, peaceful Scandinavians.
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Sure. Just be Romans. Then you can see your enemies driven before you and hear the lamentations of their women and love them and be redeemed by Christ.
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The Roman Empire. Christians went from being eaten by lions in the Colloseum to being the official religion of the empire without ever raising an insurrection or fighting a civil war. It only took about 300 years of non-violent acceptance of persecution.
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I basically go up to everyone condemning Israel and say "zap! you're now the PM of Israel. what's your next move?" and I generally get a range from "Israel should follow international law" (hand wave hand wave) with no specifics on how they protect their security and sovereignty doing that, all the way to something the Heath Ledger version of The Joker would say.
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