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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
Suppose you were a moderate leader of the Palestinians. What on Earth could you possibly do to end the suffering and negotiate a lasting peace?
Palestinians appear to feel very strongly about unrestricted right of return. In the failed Camp David talks, Arafat demanded 150,000 Palestinians in the diaspora be allowed to settle Israel per year while Israel pushed back and said 100,000 total, though they offered a $30 billion fund to help Palestinians abroad to attain permanent settlement abroad.
This is pretty far apart. Israel doesn’t want to be demographically obliterated but Palestinians that fled Israel consider it their ancestral home.
How do you reconcile this? Wouldn’t any Palestinian leader that negotiated a peace deal without this be considered illegitimate and probably marked for death?
On the other hand, would the hostilities even end if Israel somehow agreed to unrestricted ROR? There’s so much bad blood that even this is hard to imagine as being the thing that achieves lasting peace.
I’m not sure any concession short of Israel packs up and leaves forever would end the violence.
Is it wrong to demand that Israelis relocate to Florida? It’s not like they can’t move all of their holy buildings. Surely the terra itself isn’t sacred?
Suppose you were a moderate leader of the Palestinians. What on Earth could you possibly do to end the suffering and negotiate a lasting peace?
Emigrate to America. Infiltrate the Democratic party, convince them that continued sympathy for the Palestinians is actually bad and we should cut off 100% of aid to Gaza/West Bank, and blockade all other international aid. This defunds Hamas and Hezbollah and eventually Gaza and West Bank are just normal poor desert communities full of poor, tired, hungry, thirsty people who can set up governments appropriate for themselves. Then a 3 state solution naturally evolves with the city-state of Gaza on the coast and the small country of West Jordan on the river.
Iran alone can't fund the terror states anywhere near the level they currently operate at. And, without western sympathy, it doesn't benefit them to try.
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Suppose you were a moderate leader of the Palestinians. What on Earth could you possibly do to end the suffering and negotiate a lasting peace?
Palestinians appear to feel very strongly about unrestricted right of return. In the failed Camp David talks, Arafat demanded 150,000 Palestinians in the diaspora be allowed to settle Israel per year while Israel pushed back and said 100,000 total, though they offered a $30 billion fund to help Palestinians abroad to attain permanent settlement abroad.
This is pretty far apart. Israel doesn’t want to be demographically obliterated but Palestinians that fled Israel consider it their ancestral home.
How do you reconcile this? Wouldn’t any Palestinian leader that negotiated a peace deal without this be considered illegitimate and probably marked for death?
On the other hand, would the hostilities even end if Israel somehow agreed to unrestricted ROR? There’s so much bad blood that even this is hard to imagine as being the thing that achieves lasting peace.
I’m not sure any concession short of Israel packs up and leaves forever would end the violence.
Is it wrong to demand that Israelis relocate to Florida? It’s not like they can’t move all of their holy buildings. Surely the terra itself isn’t sacred?
Emigrate to America. Infiltrate the Democratic party, convince them that continued sympathy for the Palestinians is actually bad and we should cut off 100% of aid to Gaza/West Bank, and blockade all other international aid. This defunds Hamas and Hezbollah and eventually Gaza and West Bank are just normal poor desert communities full of poor, tired, hungry, thirsty people who can set up governments appropriate for themselves. Then a 3 state solution naturally evolves with the city-state of Gaza on the coast and the small country of West Jordan on the river.
Unfortunately, you can't actually cut off other international aid; in particular you can't stop Iran without open warfare.
Iran alone can't fund the terror states anywhere near the level they currently operate at. And, without western sympathy, it doesn't benefit them to try.
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