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Update on the Paul Kessler death from last week (link to Gattsurus post from last week's thread):
Police have arrested the Palestinian supporting computer science professor that allegedly swung a megaphone at Kessler; a pro-Israel counter protestor, resulting in the latter falling down and hitting his head leading to death.
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I know there was a fair bit of speculation around whether he would or would not be charged, but it seems like the cops think they might have enough evidence to make this stick (even though they are still asking people to come forward if they were a witness or have video). Either that or they've decided they'd better do everything they can to dodge the political consequences of not prosecuting with so much signal boosting from jewish advocacy groups.
@gattsuru linked an earlier post by @FCfromSSC that opines that Blue Tribers are less likely to face consequences of these sorts of scuffles. If that theory is correct than perhaps Jewish Zionists still rate higher than Palestinians on the progressive stack and in situations like this the lower ranking Blue Triber will face punishment more like the Red Tribe.
Also, if you're going to go to a protest and be a maskless speaker it seems like you should do whatever you can to avoid scuffling. Without a mask Alnaji didn't have the option of leaving the scene with his anonymity intact.
That's why the whole Israel / Palestine is such juicy culture war bait.
Western Jews are the most privileged group in the history of the world. But, because of positive in-group biases and working together, they have managed to get diversity carveouts that other whites have not.
The progressive stack is not about fairness, it's about power. Or, to quote Voltaire (maybe), "to find out who rules over you, ask who you are not allowed to criticize".
A lot of the current conflict is people noticing this and trying to apply the same standards to Jews that have heretofore only been applied to other whites. Nevertheless, I don't expect these new standards to stick. I expect the assaulter to face a heavy sentence.
When Robin DiAngelo says there should be "fewer white male CEOs", are Jewish men excluded from this list? Do Jews need a lower score on the MCAT than whites to get into medical school? When a Netflix production participates in a diversity initiative that means 30% of the crew need to be 'POC', do Jews count? When the federal government practices supplier preference in affirmative action, do non-Hispanic Ashkenazi Jews get the same preferences that black, hispanic, and even Asian entrepreneurs do? If Ta-Nehisi Coates calls gifted programs racist because they don't contain enough non-white and non-Asian POC, are Jews in the included group, or the excluded one? In a workplace program where white employees are subject to additional diversity training while black employees get to chill out in the 'affinity group space', do the Jews in the office usually go to the former, or the latter?
If anything, dissident rightists are often most upset that they don’t get put in a special pool other than Jews, because when put into the white pool Jews have disproportionately outcompeted them for many decades.
In 99% of 'white privilege' cases in DEI terms, Jews count as white and are treated as such. Every POC thinks that Jews are white, as do most whites. (As do most Jews, if you go by both polling and census data!) That's not surprising, nor is that America's greatest crusader against affirmative action, who single-mindedly pursued it for decades (unlike many gentile whites, who mostly didn't care) until he won this year, is Jewish.
As the classic reply goes, ‘kids with Down syndrome?’
Agree with everything you said, but Jews are allowed to organize for their own benefit and defense whereas non-Jewish whites are generally not. It's a hate crime to paint a swastika on a synagogue, but calls to kill whitey are generally met with shrugs.
To make another point...
Once we take away Jews, what percentage of college Presidents are white? What percentage of gentile whites are being admitted to Harvard? The dominance of Jews in the elite space is sucking up much of the quota reserved for whites.
And, for the record, I have no problem with the success of Jews. My friend group is dominated by Jewish people, and I think their success is mostly due to superiority of intellect. (Let's say 80% intellect, 20% clannishness). But if we are going to start leveling in a sort of Harrison Bergoron way, I don't think it's fair that Jews get a hugely disproportionate amount of the white quota. And, yes, it's a quota.
The best world is a race-blind world. But once we start noticing, then I don't want to be in the one group that it's allowed to discriminate against when there is a much more successful group right next door.
Yes, they are, they’re just not allowed to use the words ‘gentile whites’ to describe themselves. This is because gentile whites are a heterogeneous group mostly defined by things that they aren’t- with some exceptions, homogenous groups of white gentiles are allowed to organize in their own defense. It’s tragic that white southerners aren’t, but ultimately that’s because of anti-southern prejudice and not because of race communism or philosemitism.
Please tell me which group I can join as a straight, white American man? That's the most specific ethnic group I am a member of. I can't join the local Polish, Swedish, or Italian lodge. I am not those things. Basically, we're telling 20% of people in the US that they aren't allowed to have a grievance identity but everyone else is.
Sure you can. It's just called the Club. It's just based on economic class rather than race; but anyone in the club is HwHite by association. The poor whites (the trash ones, that is. Everyone with less than 10 million dollars) are supposed to act as foot soldiers for their betters and not get uppity.
If you want a group basic on your racial identity and only your racial identity, you can found one. It's be pretty incoherent though, because if you are allowed in I am also allowed in, and I am a communist and also probably not actually the same race as you. eg, the Mut category isn't a recognized breed.
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