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You're still focusing on the words as being vehicles for literal meaning the way a scientist would use language. What do you mean they can plausibly say they support anyone? The sign is a rather obvious signal of conservative allegiance posted in the 2020s. You don't need plausibility to get that documentary "What Is A Woman?" removed for hate speech when the signaling game is obvious to everyone except mistake theorists.
Absolutely nobody makes this distinction you're making between:
what the conservative sign did -- listing a couple of axis (axes?) and omitting other axes
what the politician did -- listing a couple of directions on an axis and omitting other directions
What good is the right's subtle dog whistles (according to you) if they still get called out on them? Think anti-Trumpers talking about how Trump dogwhistled to white supremists or the white working class during his 2016 campaign. How would you argue to someone that one side actually does it differently?
I'm not asking to explain why This Dogwhistle is different than That Dogwhistle, I'm asking to explain why we see the same calling out on both sides. (Actually, do we see the same calling out on both sides?)
Something that I feel is lost on a lot of progressives and the progressive adjacent (IE much of the motte) is that if you're hearing dog whistles you're the dog.
I get what you mean but isn’t this obviously not true? Maybe I’m misunderstanding what a dogwhistle is but if I wrote on here “the rootless cosmopolitan bankers are conspiring against white christians” everyone would understand it’s an antisemitic dogwhistle. If I said “no I’m just referring to the literal bankers guys, YOU’RE the antisemite for thinking bankers = jews!” nobody would/should believe that
I think you just proved his point... First im not sure Ive seen "bankers" called out on the right, typically it is elites, globalists, big tech, etc. Calling out bankers and financial institutions is more left coded in my experience.
Second, most on the right tend to be more pro Isreal and find more in common with religious jews than with blue tribe.
I mean shit, how many times has Ben Shapiro been labeled a literal nazi by the left?
Frankly someone claiming another party's innocuous statements are "dog whistles" indicates that the claimant refuses to extend any charitability to the other party and is defacto acting in bad faith. They are merely searching for an excuse to hate the outgroup.
I don’t disagree with you or Hylnka that innocuous statements are called dogwhistles all the time even when they are actually innocuous statements. I agree that when politicians/mainstream media figures are called out for using dogwhistles it’s bad-faith partisan bullshit 99% of the time. My point is just that simply recognizing an obvious dog whistle doesn’t mean you are “the dog” if the statement is in fact a dog whistle. As in if you go on 4chan and see someone refer to (((bankers))) you’re not anti-semitic for recognizing what they are referring to
You're not anti-semitic, but I would argue you are a dog. A "dog-whistle" is generally just a term of art or piece of jargon that reads differently to those in-the-know than those not in-the-know. I don't think that agreeing with the argument being made is a relevant part of it. The difference is between you hearing it (and disagreeing) vs. it going completely unnoticed by you.
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