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quiet_NaN
22m ago
wrt strict liability, there is a whole 60 page lawcomic arch about it.
I am mostly on board with Nathan there. Strict liability for regulatory offenses seems bad, and relying on luck / selective enforcement / prosecutorial discretion to keep people who collect a few feathers out of jail seems bad.
My main disagreement with that arch is DUI. For one thing, the offense is not hidden in some law about fishery regulations that nobody has read, you get told about it when you train for your driving license. For another, when driving a car we actually expect people to pay close attention to stay within the regulations which they were trained on. "Yes, I should have stopped on that left-yields-right intersection, but you see, I just assumed that there was no car coming from the right and did not look, so I clearly lack mens rea" or "Officer, my speedometer is broken. I thought I was within the speed limit" will not fly, then why should "I know that DUI is a crime, and I know that I had a few drinks, but I was under the impression that I was slightly under the BAC limit"?
A similar objection could be made to the argument against statutory rape. Everyone knows that people presenting as young adults come in two flavors, "jailbait" and "legal". Anyone who has sex with such a person without verifying their category is taking a calculated risk. There might be other arguments against that law, but the fact that the person committing the offense could not possibly have known rings hollow to me.
Pasha
Defend Kebab
29m ago
Sorry but I get a strong feeling you have never been exposed to any university system other than modern American liberal arts colleges. What I have seen around Europe typically was that learning happens during exam crunch time and coursework is either just recommended or has relatively little effect on your end grade. If you are doing a “hard” degree then for many major exams you are also responsible for subjects of previous semesters as well so you have to stay on top. This works perfectly fine. I don’t think American students are any lazier than their counterparts in continental Europe, I think they just got conditioned heavily by the only education they have ever experienced.
Also no I liked maths a lot and I have an engineering job using a decent amount of trig-calculus level maths regularly. But I also observed how nonsense the maths requirements were for most degrees.
Incidentally I found it amusing you chose the student using chatgpt to write personal introduction for an “ Ethics and Technology class” as a particularly egregious example. I have never been exposed to an ethics class that wasn’t total non-sense taught by dimwit professors. Just all around busywork. We were either forced to take such classes because of vague ideas about how it would make us more ethical or something or people did so for easy elective credits. The whole faculty had a jobs-program feeling to it. It would be absolutely my top course to cheat through with an LLM.
FistfullOfCrows
30m ago
Here's one. Make it illegal for the government to store any data about a citizen including meta-data, which is not publicly accessible to that citizen. While you're at it make it illegal for companies to "share" data with the government in a non public way unless it's with subpoenas. (And subpoenas for all data for everyone who ever searched for google.com in google's search box doesn't count)
Also if you've been a really good boy for a set amount of time have the capability to request deletion of said data, (granularly)
SnapDragon
30m ago
Yeah, it's a good question that I can't answer. I suspect if all humans somehow held to a (not perfect but decent) standard of not driving impaired or distracted, signaling properly, and driving the speed limit or even slower in dangerous conditions ... that would probably decrease accidents by at least 80% too. So maybe self-driving cars are still worse than that.
you have degenerated into kanging and chimping
"You" as in me, or the forum? Because I agreed with the conclusion here. In general I dont necessarily mean that youre wrong about this stuff, more that a) its very predictable what direction youll go and b) you dont give a lot besides that direction. I agree that what I remember from you about the chinese-AI overlap was better. I did exaggerate.
They feel like Main Characters of history, who are destined to win for narrative reasons and therefore can afford arbitrary foolishness in the midgame
I do in fact have some stock on pre-boomer-racism that is more or less that. But part of that is that its not the "midgame" because I dont think the game ends, either as a whole or for whites specifically. Which might be related to AI scepticism. It doesnt impact medium-term prediction that much.
Now we see a test of naked American authority
I see what you mean. I can just say thats not how people here in europe think of it, and that in itself should influence how we read the reaction.
just a demand to shut up
I dont want you to shut up. Ideally Id want you to start posting about other topics as well again, since these two arent really my focus, but if these post were more substantial in relation to the gloating, that would be an improvement as well.
FistfullOfCrows
34m ago
I'd be down for that only if the jury can vote to recommend this law to be stricken down, then the govt is forced to put it into a proposition so the public gets to vote the law out. No amendment, no copy paste this article into that article. Removed.
FistfullOfCrows
38m ago
All you need to do to be much safer than average is not do those things
All you need to be much safer than average is not live near certain low iq/low conscientiousness/high time preference populations, and yet if you attempt to do that it's the second coming of the apocalypse and the libs cry foul to the moon.
Perhaps we need segregation for the roads, have an AI and Emergency vehicles only lane. Anyone else caught driving there unless they are gunning it for the hospital gets cited/jailed.
would be allowed to house students in conditions no better than those junior enlisted in the army experience(food would have to be absolutely identical down to coming in boxes labeled 'not suitable for prison use')
Why? Is the cruelty actually the point this time? Because I see absolutely no gain here.
Palatable meals (produced at scale at a stable location) are not expensive, especially not when compared to education. Barracks bunk beds might benefit unit cohesion, instill obedience/submission and be easier to supervise/police, but that's far less necessary for the next generation of academics, and the trade-off in privacy and independence is absolutely not worth the price difference.
I'd go the other way. Kill mandatory "all-you-can-eat" meal plans (also makes the "freshman twenty" less of a thing) and mandatory on-campus dorm life. Have private businesses operate the dorms and cafeterias (plural, they need to compete) and let students live off-campus the moment they want.
And if you want to safe money, start cutting at the admin building.
Pasha
Defend Kebab
56m ago
Forcing students who has absolutely no interest and need to do some mid-level maths courses for half baked pedagogic reasons was one of the biggest cheating incentivizers when I was a student. Remember a hot business studies chick in my dorm slept with half the econometrics track guys to get them to do her maths homework. I guess that is some sort of “preparation for life”…
Same as you, I don't pretend to be able to predict an unknowable technological future and am just relying on vibes, so I'm not sure I can satisfy you with a precise answer...? I outlined why I'm so impressed with even current-day AI here. I've been working in AI-adjacent fields for 25 years, and LLMs are truly incomparable in generality to anything that has come before. AGI feels close (depending on your definition), and ASI doesn't, because most of our gains are just coming from scaling compute up (with logarithmic benefits). So it's not an existential threat, it's just a brand new transformative tech, and historically that almost always leads to a richer society.
You don't tend to get negative effects on the tech tree in a 4X game, after all. :)
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