ChickenOverlord
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ChickenOverlord
1d ago
Full time job is writing boring income tax software, side gig is a different legal compliance industry (but a niche one, so I'd rather not get too specific). What do you do?
ChickenOverlord
1d ago
Starcraft 1 taught me to type. I wanted to coordinate with teammates and trash talk opponents online. Kids growing up with voice chat will never have the incentive to learn.
ChickenOverlord
1d ago
thought I was done with gaming hard, until I got a boring hybrid corporate job where I have no hope of advancing due to outsourcing. I get my basic tasks done during the workday, then I game. It’s not perfect but it works for me for now hehe.
Literally me, but I'm 100% remote. Recently took a side gig for more money though so that's cutting into it.
ChickenOverlord
2d ago
The General challenged this prima facie discrimination and his reward was that he got canned for it.
Hegseth was just counteracting decades of systemic racism and sexism against white men in the military.
ChickenOverlord
2d ago
The funniest part to me is that Bob Dole actually outlived John McCain, even though Dole's age was a major angle of attack when he ran against Clinton in 1996.
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
The thing is, I think a lot of SMEs and domain experts don't realize just how bad things are even without AI.
I do, I've written about it here (and elsewhere) even before AI became a big thing. My grand unifying theory of modern software development is roughly:
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There is greater demand for software than there are competent developers/engineers capable of delivering it
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There are "enough" incompetent software developers to meet the demand
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Companies hire more incompetent devs than competent because there are far more competent than incompetent
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Companies create retarded processes and systems like scrum and agile because carefully managing and babying your incompetent devs is the only way to eke out something functional
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The competent devs get sucked into these shitty processes (because they want/need jobs, and companies are terrible at identifying talent so they get lumped in with theretards), so even they generally aren't making quality software because of the bullshit processes etc. they have to deal with
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
Absolutely, either way I think OP is jumping to judgement prematurely until we know the specifics of the deal
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
Where is the actual 10 point proposal? Or is that being kept confidential while it's still under negotiation?
EDIt:
Assurances of "safe" passage through the strait of Hormuz, but no assurance of "free" passage.
The "COMPLETE" part implies free. If it isn't what actually happens feel free to correct me.
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
OpenBSD still finds a buffer overflow every year or two. It's definitely better than 95% of big software projects out there, but it isn't perfect. Definitely not trying to minimize what Mythos actually found though.
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
I'm not skeptical about every single aspect of AI, my main skepticism is over its ability to build and maintain complex systems (usually in the form of codebases that are more than a basic bitch CRUD app). Finding vulnerabilities is definitely something I've always thought was within the capabilities of AI, my biggest concern is the signal to noise ratio. So I'm curious how many false positives Mythos found that they had to filter through to find the 4 examples they list as ones it actually found.
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
If that's the biggest red flag you can find?
I mean I'm sure I could find others if I tried.
(And I suppose I should thank you for listening to others when they asked you to try repeating your recent experiment with Opus instead of Sonnet. That makes you a better skeptic than many I have the displeasure of knowing on this forum.)
Thanks, I try.
Plus, they've already said they're not going to make Mythos public, even if some of the benefits will trickle down to the next Opus. That is not something a company that is desperate for money or willing to ignore safety would do.
They've only said the preview of Mythos won't be public, the final release will be.
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
Biggest red flag to me that this is more marketing puffery overselling capabilities than reality:
Early indications in the training of Claude Mythos Preview suggested that the model was likely to have very strong general capabilities. We were sufficiently concerned about the potential risks of such a model that, for the first time, we arranged a 24-hour period of internal alignment review (discussed in the alignment assessment) before deploying an early version of the model for widespread internal use. This was in order to gain assurance against the model causing damage when interacting with internal infrastructure.
I.e. "This AI could be utterly devastating even if we only let it loose on our internal network. We'd better be super duper extra careful and cautious before we let it loose. 24 hours ought to be fine, what could we possibly miss in such a massive time window?"
Surely these are just average joes and average janes? Do you mean to tell me if the woman trains for a couple years, and is healthy / responsive to training, she wouldn't be stronger than the majority of men that don't train? Don't most women just avoid actual strength training / bulking out of temperament/desire for their body to look a certain way and not out of inability to do it and see results?
Doesn't seem to be the case, as the repeated instances of 14 year old high school boys beating (and usually outright demolishing) women's Olympic teams, World Cup teams, etc. would demonstrate:
US Women's soccer team loses to an under-15 boy's team, score 5-2
Australian Women's soccer team loses 7-0 to an under-16 boy's team
High school boy's team beats Olympic US women's team at hockey, 2-1
https://www.espn.com/olympics/news/story?id=2281644
And there are countless more instances of this. I'm sure these high school boys are more fit than typical boys their age, but male physical strength generally peaks between 25 and 35, so they are likely physically weaker than the median untrained adult male.
The numbers I've seen over the years (I'd have to try and track them down) are that a woman has to be in roughly the top 5 to 10% of women to beat a male in the bottom 5% of male strength.
Edit: found a chart of female vs male grip strength, you can see that they barely overlap. Grip strength is hardly the only form of strength, but from my recollection other forms of strength show similar trends:
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
Suppose you are interviewing for a job, and I come in in clothes which I have been wearing for a week which have tomato sauce on them. For most positions, this would instantly disqualify me, and rightly so.
If I'm hiring someone to reverse engineer the firmware of a competitor's product, I'm hiring whoever is the most competent for the job, even if it means hiring the sexually deranged catboy wearing programming socks. And for something like reverse engineering firmware, I'd venture a guess that somewhere in the range of 50 to 75 percent of the qualified candidates are catboys (or aesthetically similar).
The same goes for fixing the rot in Western Civilization. The overwhelming majority of candidates capable of fixing it are going to share a lot of Trump's bull in a china shop aesthetics, it's just kind of the nature of the sorts of people capable of what is needed. Sure, some candidate with will and ability to get things done and with the aesthetics of JFK might exist out there, but I'm not going to vote for Democrats that will keep deepening the rot in the meantime while I wait.
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
My position - that threats of genocide are more concerning you have the ability to carry them out - is not complicated or ambiguous
Then you should have stated that clearly at the start of this? Instead of vaguely saying that when Iran says death to America it's different.
so what is the point of asking "So is it ok to threaten genocidal destruction so long as you don't have the capacity to actually carry it out?"
To find out what your actual position is, since you didn't clearly state it.
Do you actually think I believe that?
No, hence my asking if that's what you believe.
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
The problem is that nowhere in my post do I say or even imply that Iran's rhetoric is acceptable.
But you do say that it's different than Trump's genocidal threats, with Iran's capacity to act on what they said being the only difference you mention. I'm really not sure what you're going for here bro.
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
I don't know how you inferred that from what I wrote
You were replying to someone who asked if you raised similar complaints over Iran calling for death to America for decades with the argument that a big difference between the two is that the US is currently bombing Iran and has the capacity to inflict significant damage while Iran currently isn't and cannot. I'm not saying anything excuses anything else here, I'm just replying to the argument you made.
ChickenOverlord
3d ago
So is it ok to threaten genocidal destruction so long as you don't have the capacity to actually carry it out?
ChickenOverlord
4d ago
If they're going to enshittify the AIs, it'll have to happen after one company gets sufficient market dominance that swapping to a different one isn't trivial.
Microsoft already had Copilot start inserting ads into pull requests without consent a week or two ago, I think that counts as enshittification.
ChickenOverlord
4d ago
if America blew up a primary school in my country I'd start chanting Death to the Great Satan as well
They've been chanting that particular line for decades now though
ChickenOverlord
4d ago
I'll try that later this week when I get a chance. Maybe next time I'm stuck in an awful meeting for two hours
I'm sure there are more, but these immediately come to mind. There are four of us trying to make these things work, and we all keep running into the same problems again and again. It's not just me - even people with dramatically different writing styles and thought processes are seeing the same thing. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because a lot of people I know in real life are experiencing the same pain, but on the Internet it seems like I'm a huge outlier.
My most competent co-worker, a Russian guy who got his start writing assembly back in the 80's, was the most enthusiastic about/interested in AI person that I knew. He was always trying out the latest models from OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic. He was also running his own local LLMs and diffusion models locally. He even dropped $4-5k on a DGX Spark late last year. And even he seems to be getting disillusioned/losing interest in AI, he doesn't seem to think it's going to be able to achieve anything remotely close to the promises and hype. Though I will note that the push from our upper management to use AI hasn't pleased him much either, especially since the project we've been working on for the past year (modernizing a giant mess created by our Indian coworkers. They weren't using package management at all, they were literally emailing around zip files full of DLLs for years, I got pulled into 4 hour long calls to fix dependency conflict issues in prod once every 2 or 3 months) was very much not aided by AI, but management insisted we find a way to use AI on the project regardless.
ChickenOverlord
4d ago
this video is great and captures my frustration with a lot of the software developers who I have to work with
Sadly the parody developer in that video would be more competent than most of my Indian coworkers, so I wouldn't be surprised if AI could replace them. But instead it will be one of the slightly more competent Indians generating mountains of barely functional AI slop (instead of the small hills of slop my coworkers currently generate).
I feel Americans are far too quick to congratulate themselves on the topic of freedoms and rights.
Not at all. Our track record is far from perfect, but we still somehow manage to completely eclipse every other country on earth when it comes to speech rights, in spite of our failures and shortcomings. We can call our politicians idiots without getting arrested [1], and in the rare cases when cops have overreached for that sort of thing the courts have shut it down.
1: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-over-online-insult/a-70793557
Would it still be wrong to give them the cold shoulder if they were blasting loud rap music at all hours, street racing, and selling drugs? If they actually live up to the stereotypes, is it wrong to treat them differently?
Like it's one thing to give the cold shoulder to a black family that, for lack of a better descriptor, acts white. But if they actually match several of the stereotypes then I don't see the issue.
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