Isomorphic_reasoning
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Isomorphic_reasoning
4mo ago
The problem is people who confidently proclaim it's only one or the other
I hope you realize that almost all of these people are on the anti-hbd side. Even big names like Rushton and Jensen said they thought IQ gaps were only 50-80% genetic.
As far as policy goes I support doing everything based off test scores and keeping all judgements as colorblind as possible. The only place where hbd comes in at all is just not being shocked and acting like the system is failing when the low preforming group is disproportionately black.
Isomorphic_reasoning
4mo ago
And beyond that the whole “tech revolution” didn’t show up dramatically in any aggregate economic stats like GDP
The way gdp is calculated systemstically undercounts the gains from technology. If you sell 1 black and white tiny tv in 1960 for $2000 it adds the same to the gdp as selling 10 4k OLED tvs in 2023 for $200 each but the latter are obviously orders of magnitude more valuable. If you had a device with the capabilities of a modern smart phone in 1970 it would have been worth millions of dollars. Welfare recipients in 2023 have access to all the worlds books and movies at their fingertips. Literal kings would have killed for such a privilige. We are all rich beyond our ancestors wildest dreams and gdp reflects only a small fraction of that.
Isomorphic_reasoning
4mo ago
And it certainly is Bayesian evidence in favor of discrimination, in that it's more likely to happen in worlds with discrimination than in worlds without it (independent of all other factors!).
This is true. But it's also true that it's bayesian evidence of genetic aptitude differences. I would prefer a world where when we encountered uneqial outcome we carefully considered both possibilities. Instead we live in a world where anyone who even suggests the second is a possibility is shamed and all of our policies treat it like an impossibility
Isomorphic_reasoning
5mo ago
The term as a whole is stupid because almost every single person who operates a charity or is a large scale philanthropist sincerely believes they are engaged in “effective altruism”
I honestly don't think this is true. A lot of people who start charities choose a cause that has impacted them personally with little thought to whether this is a cause where dollars go the furthest. EA means more than just not actively trying to waste your donation. It means giving rigorous thought to the tradeoffs involved.
Isomorphic_reasoning
5mo ago
If this was happening it would show up in the stats as drastically lower life expectancies for gay men.
Isomorphic_reasoning
5mo ago
You're right. Bottom half was too aggressive. I'll edit it to say bottom fraction.
Isomorphic_reasoning
5mo ago
No. I was just speaking in shorthand. You don't have to say you would be hungry. "I probably still wouldn't be hungry even if i skipped breakfast because i often don't eat breakfast" is a perfectly fine answer as well. "Bad" answers are those that reveal that the person is incapable of embracing hypotheticals. Ie people who say things like "what are you talking about, i did eat breakfast"
Sooner or later, every reader will cotton on to the fact that whenever the MSM report on a violent crime commited by a white native man, his skin colour will be mentioned prominently (either in the headline or the lede); ergo, if you see an article about a violent crime which doesn't mention the assailant's skin colour or nationality, the only reasonable assumption is that he is black or Arab or Eastern European (optionally Muslim)
Sadly i don't think this will ever happen. Remember, the bottom fraction in terms of intelligence has trouble figuring out that theyv would probably be hungry right now if they hadn't eaten breakfast this morning. They certainly aren't going to intuit chains of reasoning like this.
Isomorphic_reasoning
5mo ago
They're not saying who it is that was arrested because he's black
Isomorphic_reasoning
5mo ago
Just install competency tests.
And then get sued for disparate impact
Isomorphic_reasoning
6mo ago
Eat more calories to gain weight and less to lose weight is pretty solid.
Isomorphic_reasoning
6mo ago
That's not what he was asking since black women still have a lower rate than black men
Isomorphic_reasoning
6mo ago
there hasn't been a new prestigious university created since Stanford
CMU was founded 15 years later and is very prestigious in the CS world. As AI becomes more important its profile should rise even higher
Isomorphic_reasoning
6mo ago
It's still lower than a good chunk of the people here. It's not like a 1400 then was harder to get than a 1600 now
I agree with you that, with a few exceptions, the current crop of Republicans are a bunch of clowns. But unfortunately my only alternative is voting for people who actively hate me for who I am and my beliefs. I say this as a white male who believes that racial disparities are primarily genetic and that many of the differences between men and women have a biological basis. These are scientific beliefs that in a sane world wouldn't be controversial. Sadly, in our world they mark me as scum to anyone on the left half of the country so I'm forced to throw my support to the other side. And if that other side is a bunch of clowns then I'm giving my support to a bunch of clowns because i sure as hell am not going to give it to the people who hate me.
Isomorphic_reasoning
6mo ago
This is Black History Month
No it's not. Black history month in America is February. Look it up
Isomorphic_reasoning
6mo ago
Don't read too much into it. It was 50/50 that the better person would have been more attractive and if it had gone the other direction he just wouldnt have brought it up
Isomorphic_reasoning
6mo ago
Is it confirmed that he killed himself? The OP seemed very uncertain
Isomorphic_reasoning
6mo ago
Tren is not something we should be advocating for mass consumption
Isomorphic_reasoning
6mo ago
since it does cause an apparent decrease in muscle mass
Is the decrease in muscle mass worse than what you would expect from just eating less calories?
Isomorphic_reasoning
7mo ago
I don't think this is an issue. Opting out of benefits is effectively equivalent to choosing to pay extra taxes. That's not something many people want to do.
Isomorphic_reasoning
7mo ago
That statistic is net gain in employment. If 100 whites are hired, 20 blacks are hired. 99 whites retire and 10 blacks retire. Then 10/11 or 91% of net jobs created went to blacks but the hiring situation isn't nearly so dire.
You should also try actually reading the book. He goes into detail about how it is not the plain reading of the laws that matters but a series of precedent setting cases and executive decisions that have shaped their enforcement.
Isomorphic_reasoning
7mo ago
If that's the goal AA supporters haven't been very honest about their goals. The stated goals are to uplift blacks to make up for their lower preformance due to the legacy of discrimination and to improve the educational experience through increased diversity. I think unwavering acheivement gaps showed that the first goal has failed and while AA does increase diversity (this is almost tautological) I'm unconvinced that this actually has an educational benefit, the surrounding studies are highly manufactured.
Isomorphic_reasoning
7mo ago
What "predictibly good" outcomes are you thinking of when it comes to affirmative action? From my perspective AA has been a massive failure. The acheivement gap on standardized tests is as big as ever despite 2 generations of institutionalized discrimination in favor of blacks at our nations universities. From my perspective this makes total sense. The reason for mean scores amongst blacks has never been lack of educational opportunity, it's genetics, so it can't be fixed by increasing educational opportunity. But i suspect you believe something else.
I'm not opposed policies which attempt to stop institutional didcrimination. What I'm opposed to is policies that pretend to be stopping institutional duscrimination but are actually just opening the door to discrimination in the other direction.
I support removing names/ethnicities and other identifying information from applications, relying heavily on standardized test scores for college and aptitude tests for jobs etc. All of these policies reduce the opportunity for a bigoted boss or admissions officer to discriminate against a qualified applicant because of their race.
Liberals just don't like these policies because they know from experience what results they'll produce but they're still policies directed at reducing discrimination
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