BANNED USER: Constant low-value, low-effort antagonistic poster
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1yr ago
Not necessarily. I understand that many Western Euros don't actually like clean and safe cities that much. Otherwise they wouldn't be so tolerant of all these immigrants...
Clearly there is something, perhaps 'Prussian' in Poland, that makes them enjoy their cleanliness, and their peace.
Why then get ever tighter with the aforementioned Western Euros + Americans who do not?
White nationalism seems foolish at this point as there are so many internal divisions within the species. Indeed most of the enemies of the continued survival of a certain type of European are European themselves.
As I see it, the future of that species is with an unification across borders. While TikTok and other online propaganda apparatuses are rapidly conquering masses across the planet, the resistance is becoming more and more diverse itself. Anybody with an ounce of interest in traditional culture and living can join, with regional differences fading as the enemy is global and common. The biggest obstacle being language, but this should resolve itself soon enough.
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1yr ago
Did Poland really need money so badly that it had to join the EU?', and any responses to it, are trivially incoherent unless you assume that the EU is an inherently malignant entity.
Well I was always perplexed by Poland joining the EU because they are consistently among the black sheep with Hungary who oppose a lot of what the EU members collectively stand for.
I'm legitimately asking what was the original idea behind Poland joining the EU which implicitly and formally comes with a certain set of requirements, among which giving up some of your sovereignty, when in the 2000s Poland has been rejecting a lot of these requirements
So, rephrasing, did Poland really need money that badly that they had to join the EU, despite knowing that they would down the line not want to fulfill some of the requirements, like not going against EU rules created by countries that are much more pro-immigration and anti-Christian-family than them?
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1yr ago
While I may not be able to produce clean data to establish my hunch, the dramatic increase in immigration of the 2010s in Western Europe came with a lot of unsanitary conditions and street violence.
I'm not implying that white = clean, as it's Western Europeans who welcomed that uncleanliness, and there are many varied people that are very much capable of cleanliness, for example Singaporeans.
Based on the observation on the ground that (the surveyed areas of) Poland is a very clean country, I'm guessing that the Polish people generally enjoys keeping their environment clean.
The cleanliness is a result of a lack of a certain type of population, which is abundant in Western Europe due to EU policies.
This has me questioning why the Polish government is suddenly so strongly supportive of EU policies, despite what seems like a natural, intrinsic cleanliness of its people.
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1yr ago
They do, but so do Germany and Poland, or even USA and Poland, let's not forget the Lend-Lease that helped the USSR conquer Poland in the first place.
Why are the Poles so afraid of Russia?
Or are they afraid that they will lose their sovereignty and be forced to do horrible things, like welcoming people they do not like and allowing disgusting acts to be carried out on their countrymen?
Are they afraid that the Russians will replace the Polish population with an indistinguishable mix of ethnicities and cultures that have no bearing to the original Polish people and culture?
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1yr ago
There is a trade-off to these EU policies that most Western European countries apply.
If they are on the receiving end of the migrants from Subsaharian Africa or the Middle-East whose countries were ravaged by their dearest allied CIA-controlled MIC, due to their generous social systems, then they incur significant cost in cleaning and peacekeeping in the areas where they are most concentrated.
I'm thinking of UK, France, Germany, Scandinavia.
While a large amount of Western Europeans despise the effects of these immigrants on their immediate living conditions, they still somehow end up voting 'in majority' for their causes.
'Voting wrong' seems to be worse than uncleanliness and relative lower safety.
Similarly in the US, a lot of people seemingly just let their own neighborhood get burned down by arsonists around 2020. Not much of a fire-preventing spirit them city-folks!
Thank you for answering the question!
From the Polish perspective joining NATO defangs the German threat while pissing off their ancient rivals/enemies, the Muskovites, as far as they're concerned it's all win.
Seems a little bit careless. The Eternal Germ will not let them get away with it.
Sure the duplicitous Germans and and effete Belgians can whinge about immigration policy but what are they actually gonna do, Poland is part of the Schengen Zone baby and they've been pulling the DeSantis trick of sending unwanted immigrants to the hometowns of politicians who promote immigration for years now.
But now they're submerged in Ukrainian immigrants. It's not the end of it either.
It seems to me that their only saving grace is their unique language, for now.
Once they have the Americans 'helping out' with the Russian threat and the Germans 'advising' and the British 'training' they'll find out that their younger generations only want to speak English.
+if/when NATO finally takes out Russia, I imagine Poland would be in the runner-up for the next 'disturbingly native-looking' country in what remains of Europe then.
If anything, Russia is a good distraction from their little DeSantis tricks, it's not in their best long-term interest to have the Ukraine wedge take out the bear.
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1yr ago
Ok that makes a lot of sense.
Yet it would be apropos, considering that they are both seemingly nationalist countries in the same area with common interests, and facing an existential risk at this point.
It's even somewhat ironic that they would go to such great length for the integrity of Ukraine's borders, when Ukrainian nationalists themselves would love to claim a slice of Poland.
Who would say no to a slice of Poland?
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1yr ago
Without the lend-lease, USSR logistics would have potentially collapsed before reaching Germany, and the USSR would not have been able to keep their annexed territories way beyond 1939, which is where a lot of the modern grudge comes from.
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1yr ago
The issue I see with it is that they're building an infrastructure and customs to welcome and accommodate refugees. This attracts a certain type of people that will not leave once the current Ukraine crisis is over.
It's a slippery slope.
What if Turkey has a civil war, or even Germany, which is starting to look a lot like Turkey, demographically-speaking, aren't they too 'neighbors' etc?
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1yr ago
I haven't really held any conversation with Poles but my views on Western Europeans come from personal experience with them.
In terms of evidence, one can look at the mountains of litter left behind by hip and wealthy Western Euros after music festivals or spring breakers in Spain, or the valuation of so-called 'street art' (for example Banksy).
Anti-police movements also have their supporters in Western Europe, while police forces in the UK have been found to protect sex traffickers for fear of racism (racism is worse than sex trafficking for a certain subset of Weuros).
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1yr ago
I think it depends of the areas of Germany. I was in the formerly Prussian part of Poland and their commie blocks looked safe and clean.
Then I went to Western Germany (Hesse) and while Germany is quite ordered compared to some other Weuro counterpart, I could still tell that the commie blocks looked more sinister, degraded, with graffiti. It could just be that I saw the good part of one country vs the bad part of another. I do recall Bavaria being very neat a decade ago, but I also understand that importing millions of impoverished people from alien cultures has a cost.
I would not be surprised if Germany was neglecting some of its people while accommodating the foreigners.
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1yr ago
While I agree that the EU framed itself as a trade-focused entity, things have shifted since then, as georgioz explained.
Didn't the EU just enact trade sanctions against Russia with a great negative impact on the cost of energy for its members?
I don't know what the current energy situation is like in Poland, but this demonstrates that being part of that trade-group is not always helping the Polish economy.
While Putin's views of history come with their own bias/inconsistencies/falsehoods perhaps, but at least his vision takes into account history.
What is the EU's views of history?
'Before there were empires and it was bad because they were European and Christian, but now there is no more empire -disregard that we are deeply aligned with the American empire and forcing rules on our 'member' states and giving a hard time to members trying to leave- so things are gonna be great now! Wealth, diversity and gayness for everybody!'
The EU makes it difficult to be conservative, due to their rules superseding national rules.
They can literally force unpopular changes on the locals due to their grandparents' government choosing to join the EU.
Additionally, whether the changes are intended or not, exposure to a broader market means that other countries gain access to your own market, and the EU by design prevents fine-tuning of internal market mechanisms to for example protect the local labor from foreign truckers, factory workers, farmers etc.
It's not an on-off button you can play with to get wealth out of. Once you're in your people's destiny is tied in to the EU's peoples' destinies.
For a small country like Poland the choice is to align with a block like EU or Russia or China or US or say a hypothetical confederation of Eastern Europeans countries... Either way, the choice matters for your people's future, and the Poles picked the atheist, gay pride block.
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1yr ago
Either way, it's hard to argue that any of the major protagonists had the interest of the Polish people at heart while deciding its fate.
While Russia can be said to have somewhat recovered from its world-dominating communist fantasies, if anything the USA's foreign policy has only gotten worse.
While they had some semblance of justification to nuke Japan or firebomb Germany, hardly any moral observer can support the most recent US military interventions, which seemingly have to do with past allies turning into dictators or vice versa, and major US officials boldly reminiscing their history of coup d'etats.
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1yr ago
It seems to be the paradox of EU 'democracy'. While no individual EU state is individually strongly pro-African immigration, the collective response of the EU is to take them in. With some caveats, as they have developed some measures of containment with North-Africa.
This emergent property of the EU was not hard to predict, but of course the bureaucrats in charge are strangely sympathetic to the corporations that benefit from economic integration and industry relocation.
If this continues on this trajectory, Europeans as a people will not survive the EU, having survived the USSR and all kind of monarchies and fascist dictatorships previously.
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1yr ago
Sad. I can see how this is yet another consequence of the industrial revolution, a disaster for the human race.
The EU's advanced bureaucracy can be seen as a more advanced version of the technology used to manage the USSR and before that the Russian Empire/Polish-LithuaniaC/HRE etc...
Technology just doesn't go away. Can't put the dating apps back in the hat.
Well the EU/NATO are not exactly sentient entities, they are just vehicles, even technologies welded by the actual powers-that-be. While the rulers of NATO are not exactly the rulers of the EU, I believe the rulers of the EU to be vassals of the rulers of NATO.
Given that there is only dozens of extremely powerful people that are tied to all these entities, it's not surprising that the same billionaires who own the media companies that ultimately decide elections in Western countries are very close to the center of power.
I do believe that ethnically-homogeneous European countries are an obstacle to these people, and they actually let us know by transparently publishing it in the Guardian, NYT, HuffingtonPost, etc.
Also the population of Russia is a mix of ethnicities, 'ethnic Russian' would cover quite a varied array of phenotypes. It's hard to tell what exactly their issue with Russia is, but fighting a war to the last Ukrainian is definitely a good way to clean up some of these pesky homogeneous East-Europeans.
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1yr ago
The biggest difference is probably between more Mediterranean countries vs Germanic ones.
Here's some people discussing it
Which country is cleaner than which is not central to my argument, I simply noticed that Poland seemed unsoiled by the dirtiness brought by the most recent waves of boatpeople.
Migrant camps have sprung up over the last decades in French, Italian, UK cities etc. I think Germany simply spent a lot of money to house them instead.
Regarding safety, I'm mostly talking about petty crime. Street vendors selling counterfeit products, pickpockets, muggers, and then more violent stuff, rape gangs UK, mass molestation events Cologne.
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1yr ago
I'm not too familiar with the situation in all these countries. As far as I know, Serbia is relatively peaceful.
Ukraine is not exactly under the Russian umbrella, they are literally getting billions of dollars in supplies from the US to fight a war to the last Ukrainian.
After 50 years under Moscow, the Polish people still exists.
Aside from Ukraine and Israel, the US (or EU) are not really protecting the integrity of any country's borders, not even theirs, and that's one of the main expectations for a defense body.
Considering that they also flood their allied countries with consumerist and anti-natalist propaganda, they are a real risk for their allied country's people, at least from a demographic point of view.
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1yr ago
They are not hostile to their constituents but deepening the ties to governments that are.
The power imbalance between Poland and US is not in Poland's favor, they will not be able to keep protecting their people.
I think the Polish people is underestimating the risk of staying in the same failing boat as the EU / US.
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1yr ago
Here's a citation from goofy mail prank man:
"Leftists may claim that their activism is motivated by compassion or by moral principles, and moral principle does play a role for the leftist of the oversocialized type. But compassion and moral principle cannot be the main motives for leftist activism. Hostility is too prominent a component of leftist behavior; so is the drive for power. Moreover, much leftist behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the people whom the leftists claim to be trying to help. For example, if one believes that affirmative action is good for black people, does it make sense to demand affirmative action in hostile or dogmatic terms? Obviously it would be more productive to take a diplomatic and conciliatory approach that would make at least verbal and symbolic concessions to white people who think that affirmative action discriminates against them.
But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists’ hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred."
What's the point of being a leftist? Change society? Don't you already have the power within yourself to behave with humility and charity to help those you perceive as oppressed?
Isn't the need to change others the expression of a will to power as explained above?
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1yr ago
'globally enforced rule'
Indeed. Leftist memes are enforced at gun point or delete button point.
Stating one's pronouns is literally supported by a billion dollar DEI industry.
Racism = power + prejudice is not in application otherwise the media wouldn't be so careful handling some cases of racial conflicts.
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1yr ago
If you start from the hypothesis that there are as many men and women raised in progressive vs traditional households, then you see the divergence.
The boys raised in the progressive environment are quick to figure out that the environment has a problem with them.
From there they either take the redpill or the estrogens, and we know what ends up happening to the estrogen'd up ones.
The girls are nurtured in the schools and coddled by corporations, and who can blame them for enjoying the hedonistic cycle a little bit longer than the boys?
The ones that somehow escape this early on will quickly get nabbed by the men, while the other ones end up joining the sad ranks of women in their 30s desperately trying to conceive.
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1yr ago
While you may be right about the source, it would not be surprising for such a website to fail.
Conservative social networks don't need to be online.
From my personal experience, it is hard for conservative men to find an adequate partner, as the quality of women available in for example the US or Canada is so overwhelmingly low.
Consider : Pentagon: 7 in 10 Youths Would Fail to Qualify for Military Service
The ineligible typically includes those who are obese, those who lack a high school diploma or a GED, convicted felons, those taking prescription drugs for ADHD and those with certain tattoos and ear gauges
Nearly 40% of US women 20-39 yo are overweight.
Factor in other debilitating mental illnesses, promiscuity, crippling debt, criminal or insane family, hostility to religion...
You end up with a very small pool of viable candidates.
All modern men are in essence incels as the female partner that they desire most likely does not exist in any meaningful quantity.
Additionally conservative women should keep a low-profile, as signaling too great an availability does not bode well for their quality.
I don't fault the ones I've known to do that as they were reaching an older age, end of 20s-early 30s.
Can anybody explain the Polish perspective on the Ukraine war?
I went to Poland and it looked like what Western Europe should look like. The urban areas were clean and seemingly safe. Indeed the people living there are mostly European or Slavic.
My understanding is that most of the tsunami of African or Middle-Eastern immigrants of the 2000s would rather go to Western Europe or Scandinavia for better welfare or economic prospects.
Still, Poland used to get in trouble with the EU for not wanting to take in a certain amount of them.
Moreover, Poland has also faced reprimand from the same union for their policies toward non-heterosexuals.
Why did Poland even join the EU? Did they really need the money so badly at the time?
Now it seems that Poland is going toward ever more alignment with the EU and US.
Are they really so scared of Russia that they would drink the corn syrup and give up on whatever is left of their culture/sovereignty/demographics?
Is anybody of relevance in Poland even attempting to contradict the pro-Western turn?
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