BANNED USER: repeated antagonism and bad behavior
Nantafiria
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User ID: 246
Banned by: @Amadan
Nantafiria
11mo ago
I'm not familiar enough with the organisation to know. Wouldn't that make the 'no apolitical spaces for The Gays' case even stronger?
Nantafiria
11mo ago
No differently than before, if the numbers are anything to go by; I see no dropoff in the slightest after 2011. Are the numbers wrong, or are you?
Nantafiria
11mo ago
Indeed. For all the griping that OBVIOUSLY everyone hates immigrants, the parties making the loudest fuss about them don't poll all that well.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
Britain gets hurt leaving the EU simply by trade distance. They really never had a choice about being in the EU.
Yes, and they did this to themselves. You need no malice, not a shred, to explain this. Merely an absence of saintliness for not extending to the British all the benefits that come with the EU anyway.
Yes, the EU has poor policy along with good policy - so it goes. Not really relevant to the meme of someone shoving a stick up their bicycle's stake and crying why the EU would do this.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
Well, besides refusing to consider ultimately-accepted Irish border inspection measures for several years, selective laxening of migrant enforcement across the channel, coordinated media campaigns, grouping in various European projects the British were already paying members of that don't require EU membership to renegotiation as part of the broader trade deal negotiations, immediate objection on safety grounds of standards that were still in alignment at arbitrary cutoff dates, and deliberate demands for politically unviable demands that led to the collapse of the entire pro-EU British establishment when they tried to actually deliver a Brexit-in-name-only but which were dropped afterwards.
Yes, the EU could've gone out of its way to offer favorable stuff to a nation leaving the union. For no reason, nor any gain to itself. A painful Brexit could well have gone further than close existing deals and have the EU dip out, which (again!) is precisely what the British public voter repeatedly asked for. I will not blame the EU for giving the Brits what they asked for, nor will I blame them for failing to go out of their way to put on the kid gloves. 'Not maximally lenient' does not painful equate.
As a project to actually keep Britain in the European orbit, as was initially attempted by trying to offer an exceptional number of 'you can change your mind' avenues and the May BINO terms while heightening the prospects of departure with numerous techhniques, the EU position was a bumbling failure of trying to not-lose one of their most significant strategic-relevance contributors, and ended up in the impressive result of starting with a Parliamentary practical-majority of Remainers to negotiate with at the start changing to a hard-Brexit wave. As a secondary effort to try and keep the EU together, it was a decent success, albeit missing the obvious third order effects for how Euroskeptical states would adjust policy on the expectation of staying in the EU.
Yes, the EU did not go out of its way to be maximally lenient. I don't want it to become a second Canada, where the Quebecois can extract cash and prizes by holding the rest of the nation hostage - I would much prefer the Brits don't get theirs either. This doesn't require hurting them, which the EU still didn't do. It just requires you don't let them keep the spoils while shedding the burdens, which still isn't putting on the hurt. Any whinging on the Brits' part they got no special concessions is just that - whinging.
Of course not. It was just formal policy by various European leaders to show that exiting the EU would hurt anyone more than staying in, while taking multiple efforts to undermine confidence in the departed member's business environment, maintaining various European Union media campaigns continuing cultivate Brexit messaging themes years after macro-economic trends surpassed it, and post-Brexit attempts by the German and French governments to try to centralize power in European institutions they collectively dominated in the absence of British obstruction.
This doesn't read as a strong condemnation to me. An organisation... Wants to convince people they're better off with than without? Don't want those inside to leave? Want not to be the single most centralised monstrosity int he world?
If this is the EU working to hurt Britain, it is the most benign institution known to man; the very weakest level of wrath ever conceived of. If this is the EU being evil, eurosceptics are the most ornery of men for finding the absolute horror that is an organisation not caving for defectors intolerable in the face of generations-spanning peace.
Or maybe, this one time, we needn't treat the EU as a big boogeyman. The British asked for something, did it again, had years to figure out themselves, and got what they wanted. Good and hard, as they saying goes. I wish them good luck, I sincerely hope they do well for themselves, but speaking ill of the EU for not giving them more than they got and calling it hardball is silly as silly gets.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
No, I do. They tell (lie to) their people that MENA sorts are coming to take their stuff. It isn't so, and won't be so for the foreseeable future.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
They would have Swedish or French or German migration problems no more than Spain, Italy, and Greece do. They don't: the migrants in those nations either stay packed like rats in their camps or move north ASAP. I see no reason why Poland would deal with a worse problem than Mediterranean EU nations would, and I'm still of the belief that Orbán and PiS' scaremongering about migrants is just that: scaremongering. Poland and Hungary have had negative migration rates for decades now, and I don't believe that's about to change just yet.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
Everything and everyone else doesn't pay a cost when the rent or buying price for housing goes down.
And mentioning the Romans at all is, plainly, retarded. The fuck?
Nantafiria
1yr ago
Biden is one of the architects of civil asset forfeiture in the first place. There are many reasons why any one person may have voted for him, but criminal justice reform is not going to be at the top of their list.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
granting undue weight upon characteristics not necessarily parallel with, and sometimes directly opposed to, what makes someone worth hearing
The wealthiest person we have here in the Netherlands is the heiress to the Heineken business. She could, if she so preferred, flood the nation with political ads or even just set up a new TV channel/website/what have you to make herself heard. Big-time football players could do it just for being listened to 'cos they're good at sports. Tolkien quote goes here: many who can make themselves heard, deserve silence. Many of those who are silenced, deserve a place to speak.
I don't have a particularly strong opinion about how good or bad for democracy peaceful protests might be. There definitely are many things that are in the same ballpark, however, and not a single uniformed soul will do anything about that. It's a stark difference.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
Bro, you're the one who mentioned Norway in the first place. I never did. I'm talking about the Netherlands and went out of my way to note how our situation might relate to a hypothetical American one. Barging in with Sweden, a nation not even yours - and then insisting we talk about it when you don't even know much of it is really weird. Unless you can tell me why and how Scandinavia's issues are relevant here, I just don't see why you started talking about any of this.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
Sweden is a different nation from the Netherlands, with visibly different policies in lots of ways, different ruling parties, and different people. I'm not really sure why their (alleged - I don't know your friend) situation should reflect on ours at all.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
I live in a nation where the anti-white racism thing functionally doesn't exist. If anything, it's made the pro-reform block smaller. I just don't think you're right.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
The post that sparked the discussion is about holocaust denial- or 'revision', ha ha. It could equally well be about the periodic discussions on HBD or women or some other choice topics that tend to come up here. If you had views out the mainstream where these are concerned ten years ago, that's fine, but these topics were no less volatile back then and talking about them was no more respectable than it is now. That they keep coming up and keep seeing scores of upvotes had better damn well be reflexive contrarianism, because the alternatives if anything are worse.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
Do you think that is YouEssAyyy's actual opinion, yes or no?
Nantafiria
1yr ago
We needn't be so anal about language to keep writing the longform 'people in X and Y states', I don't think. The people of Alabama and South Carolina treated black people differently from others than they did in 1860, and they do it in 2022 as well. Nigerians are black in the same way that both Indians and Arabs are brown: the difference is really really easy to see. Furthermore, what Africans got to America in the past fifty years aren't close to a random sample; they are extremely disproportionately people who were well off enough to chance migrating to America in the first place.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
left-leaning posters
The what now?
Nantafiria
1yr ago
Plato's lessons on ideas, or Aristotle's lessons on metaphysics, or even Jefferson's lessons on statehood, even, are not so intimately connected to personal morality as Jefferson writing about farming is.
Aside from that, what are you even trying to ask me here? Of course lots of important long-dead men weren't very nice people. If that seems like modern snobistry, ask your local pastor what happened to Plato and Aristotle after they died. Being able to deal with the works of people you don't find very admirable is something everyone does, every day, and I don't think that's a particularly abnormal habit.
Nantafiria
1yr ago
I feel like they were morally wrong hypocrites, too.
Nantafiria
5mo ago
No, and fuck you too.
Nantafiria
5mo ago
Wake me up when the effects of the policies you listed make their way to Eurostat.
Walk a ten thousand miles, get your goalpost, put it back. That's how far away you've moved it.
The line that people were never asked about X and Y is something of a nonsense argument, too. The vast, vast, vast majority of policy doesn't see much debate, because politicians figured out decades ago that policy doesn't get votes, slogans and one-liners and tribalism does. Vibes-based democracy is a new term, not a new concept. This is, as you say, par for the course, and I have no sympathy for people who vote for pro-immigration neolibs and get pro-immigrant governments. They can and should not do that if they want to make a good case.
Nantafiria
7mo ago
Yeah, I'm hoping to find out why there's a reason to doubt that.
Nantafiria
7mo ago
Do you reckon that includes Ashlael and I, or am I correct to assume this is a whole bunch of hot air?
Nantafiria
7mo ago
It is difficult to teach someone to know something, when his argument depends on him not knowing it.
Citing a handful of historical examples we've all heard of before is a poor substitute for an actual argument.
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