ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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7hr ago
3. They're deliberately distracting people from the issues at home
Didn't cross your mind? It especially makes sense when it's a public broadcaster.
ArjinFerman
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13hr ago
Well then, it's scarcely any consolation that his social circle didn't erupt into cheers as at Kirk's death, is it? It would just mean the contagion didn't penetrate deep enough to affect them, rather than it being beyond the pale for them.
ArjinFerman
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13hr ago
Okay... while that does not meet his definition (or your interpretation of it), surely mindlessly chanting insane political slogans has to qualify as some form of "brain rot"?
ArjinFerman
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14hr ago
Are you saying this contradicts the original theory? I can understand being surprised by this, but it isn't even that strange when you think about it for a moment.
Not quite. Rent control is a dumb political idea, or affirmative action. I'm talking about causes that are supportable only if you whip yourself up into a fevered frenzy, I don't see how this could be doable without "spending a lot of mental energy on politics". I suppose it's possible to sleep through "your state put a rapist in a woman's prison", but I find it a bit harder to believe one did it for BLM or the Kavanaugh hearings, let alone the COVID mania.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
A lame offer, indistinguishable from what we have right now.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I don't recall which subproject he was a part of, but regarding the one I brought up, I disagree with "not controllable". They may have unacceptable side effects, the results may be too generic for practical use by intelleigence agencies, the procedures themselves may be impossible to apply without detection, and again too convoluted to be practical compared to more standard methods, but I'm not sure where the "they don't work" idea is coming from.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
If? Tomorrow?
If MKUltra worked practically, there'd be more signs of its use. The CIA and associated goons wouldn't need to torture people at Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib, they could just brainwash them!
But more seriously, I never said they could go as far as programming people like computers, just that they could change some of people's beliefs and/or personality, beyond what mass media and the education system allows.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Just as a follow-up.
Obama's initial response was to say that "this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy", with 1.1 million likes that probably aren't all from Red Tribe Obama fans
Yeah, there's also bots and Indians. You don't find it odd that with so many likes all the replies are negative? Where are all the like-clicking blue-tribers voicing their agreement?
More like most of us don't have political brainrot.
I've heard that one before, but it makes no sense given the shape of the world we're in right now. Forget Kirk's murder, how do you explain the long stream of MeToo, BLM, lockdowns, TransWomenAreWomen (to the point of putting rapists in women's prisons). I'm sorry, but either the majority of the Blue Tribe wholeheartedly support it, don't care either way - which is political brainrot. The only way it's not is, like I said above, if you're just too terrified of going against your own side.
We don't post on social media
Are you posting from the 00's? The entire Boomer part of my family is online and on SocMeds, most of society is.
We touch grass, talk to our friends, coworkers, and communities and otherwise live out our lives not terminally online.
We have posters here recounting stories of their families, friends, and coworkers making fun of the murder.
Your algorithm isn't going to push our content because there isn't any.
Ok let's say it's my algorithm, link a mainstream left-wing forum, where the news broke, and everybody's aghast at what happened. Note: threads that happened days after the fact, when people had the chance to think about their messaging, don't count. Immediate reacts only.
Wasn't it Scott that said 90% of posts online are from insane people?
I see no reason to take Scott seriously, especially when he says something like this.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
For some reason, they felt this is the thing Free World(TM) needs to defend freedom and fight communism.
It's because the Soviets had the same kind of programs, and they were worried they'd get BTFO'd if the commies have working mind control, but the US does not. At least officially.
Personally I think the whole capitlism vs. communism spat was just a laboratory experiment to find out which form of managing an industrial society is more effective, but both sides would love mind control, and any other technique of reducing humans to cogs.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
To be fair, that sounds more like his presidency would be a disaster, rather than him having poor chances of winning.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
I've seen a documentary where they said, seemingly reading from a report / study / something written by Donald Hebbs, that the subjects became long-term suggestible. The example they gave was inducing the fear of the paranornal, that would still be present weeks after the experiment.
Would be cool to have the original study, I don't have the original source (don't even know what they were quoting), though.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Best explanation so far.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Was it 50/50 of the Blue Tribe, or 50/50 of the fraction of the Blue Tribe that got promoted to your attention by social media?
Look, the most you'll get out of me in terms of concessions is that there probably was a decent chunk of people who just kept quiet, and the reason they kept quiet is that they were privately horrified by what happened, but didn't want to be seen attacking their own side, or risk being attacked by them.
Of the people who had relatively little to lose or gain by saying anything (so politicians don't count, sorry), those were the main reactions I saw. Even here on the Motte, where we are heavily filtered for the kind of Blue Triber that is capable of having symapthy for the Reds, we were mostly getting the "why is everybodt overreacting to this?" response. That, and silence, which as I said in another post, is actually something I took as an indicator of decency.
In recent polls, 56% of "very liberal" and 73% of liberal respondents say it is "always or usually unacceptable" for a person to be happy about the death of a public figure they oppose; 55% and 68% say that "violence is never justified" "in order to achieve political goals"
And yet, in other recent polls:
Murder Justification: 31% and 38% of respondents stated it would be at least somewhat justified to murder Elon Musk and President Trump, respectively. These effects were driven by respondents that self-identified as left of center, with 50% and 56% at least somewhat justifying murder for Elon Musk and President Trump, respectively.
It's almost like polls are a tool for narrative control, not the accurate measurement of opinion, and should be discarded.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
I think we overestimate the power of 'mysterious technique' brainwashing. The gold-standard, world-class, top-tier brainwashing methods are all known: State education, media propaganda, social media to catalyze it all together. Some schmucks in the CIA are no match for that. Mass media >>>>> MKUltra
Not to diss either of the methods you mentioned, but weren't the MKULTRA sensory depravation experiments pretty promising when it comes to brainwashing? Mass media is better in that it's more cost effective, but I don't think it can manipulate people all that far.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Can't say I'm surprised to find out that Hasan Piker is a federal agent.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
That doesn't quite fit for me, because if you tasked me with ensuring the arrival of the Thousand Year JD Vance Reich, I don't know if I could do a better job than what the Dems are doing.
All they need to do is regroup and wait for the next recession, though I suppose "letting something slip out because you didn't want to lose grip" is a pretty old story.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Not against an armed, trained officer, who's braced for a fight.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
I expect most of those "assaults" are highly noncentral examples of "assault"
I expect the exact opposite, I just don't think they're political, at least beyond "I don't want to go to prison".
Instead, I want to ask y’all what “the left” should be doing.
Nothing directly in your power, but since you phrased it collectively, is it really so much to ask that the same kind of pressure that made us move offsite (and purged countless bland inoffensive communities, creators, etc) be applied to people who are actually calling for, and praising political violence?
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Couldn't they keep her as VP and have someone else take Biden's slot?
less radical types ended up synthesizing themselves into more normie conservatism
*liberalism.
Richard Spencer sided with the Democrats.
Stupidpol is not a mainstream left-wing forum, it's a forum of left-wing rejects that are routinely called fascist, who were preparing for offsite emigration themselves at one point. I used to post there myself.
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