I am saying you're anti-dan is making implications that there was a net increase in child molestation because of overly permissive LGBT policies without evidence.
sun
2yr ago
Sounds more like 1 guy slipping by reading raunchy literature, while 100 guys get 10x sentences for anything more serious.
sun
2yr ago
You've stretched this far beyond any reason. "Some of them might want more sexual partners so that might be an incentive to convince more kids they're gay but even if they aren't grooming that kid specifically and aren't interested in anyone below 18 they're pedos because children were involved at some point in this nebulous chain of events".
By that logic any man who tells your kids that girls marry boys is a pedo, and a woman a female accomplice fetishist.
sun
2yr ago
One, it's an interesting change from the situation where most if not all medical procedures require parental consent with relatively rare and limited exceptions.
Well yeah, it's where the medical meets the cultural. It's kind of like if a child required blood transfusion, and the parents are Mormons who'll say no, and don't blood transfusions sometimes cause rejection? Except in this case, I doubt the child's consent would even be asked, I'd expect the doctors to just do it.
if social acceptance is gender-affirming care, isn't having a relationship also gender-affirming care?
So far "no, you don't have a right to another person's intimacy, not even if you want to die without it" works well enough.
Three, after Diane Ehrensaft talked about toddlers removing barrettes as a non-verbal sign of gender non-conformity, and she wasn't immediately laughed out of the room and defrocked into obscurity, my consideration that there was meaningful consideration occurring on the topic dropped substantially.
I don't know who that is. I suspect the only people who do are the kind of people who don't do the consideration and those who are fed outrage fuel - and only the former are present in her audience.
sun
2yr ago
Nevertheless, it does not benefit them because they are chomos. This sounds like a soldier argument against LGBT policies and not a real attempt to get at the mechanism of what it does.
The amount of thirsting over underage male characters I observe, outside of specialized places, is much lower than underage female characters so the exact disparity is hard to observe as well. Millions want to fuck Asuka, barely anyone wants to fuck Shinji.
Plus, it's not uncommon for people to point out the weirdness that kids can apparently consent to virtually anything at any age if you can put a medical spin on it, but women in their 20s can't consent to a relationship with a man more than a few months older.
Maybe those who introduce such standards don't think they're "just putting a medical spin on it", but rather that the case is medical? Then it's different standards of agency for different fields, which is how it worked everywhere since time immemorial, by my rough estimate.
The women consent thing is weird, but there are still age limits for other things that are set above adulthood - like being the President - so there's some precedent.
sun
2yr ago
But presumably you also want to say that boys getting molested by men turns them gay.
Well, no, as a matter of fact I don't.
sun
2yr ago
There's a spectrum. On the other end of that spectrum are those who put generic yaoi characters into SW skinsuits.
It happens with straight porn writing too and I don't assume that gay porn fics are any better about it.
sun
2yr ago
Straight man molests girl, permanently damaging her trust and comfort with men. She then becomes either asexual or lesbian in practice.
This is what some lesbians (usually of second wave feminism flavor) say, at least, and I do believe it's plausible that something like that could bump some Kinsey 4s up to 6s.
sun
2yr ago
Maybe the reason why I keep getting baffled by all those "actually this elite progressive is a pro-paedo" is that on the ground level, I see pretty much no increase in tolerance towards paedos. In fact the age gap taboo keeps expanding to cover age gaps between adults. If all those elites are pushing LGBT for the nefarious purpose of adding P, they don't seem to be doing a good job at all. Their successes, if any, of 50-100 years ago are completely negated.
sun
2yr ago
Maybe you need to like the unique aspects of Star Wars to count as a Star Wars grognard. Telepathic monks with laser swords? But then there's the rest of the setting that doesn't feature Jedi at all.
sun
2yr ago
You're drawing an equality sign between "requires the support of the rest of us" and "allowed to exist in physical reality".
sun
2yr ago
This sounds close enough to an argument for forcing everyone into virtual reality so that they don't bother society with any abnormalities.
sun
2yr ago
Also, I think everyone with eyes can see that the standard for "how old should a person be before it's kosher for (older) adults to have sex with them" has only been rising. One has to cook up conspiracy theories such as "well obviously they are outwardly lying while fucking kids on the down low even more", while ignoring what seems to me like a very obvious fact - the less trust society has in close, individual adult-child relationships, the fewer avenues there are for exploitation.
sun
2yr ago
I am against arbitrary imprisonment, it's just that we're using different definitions of "arbitrary". The word invokes "literally no correlation with any external reasons other than 'we said so'" to me, and to anti-lockdowners, I guess, "when they didn't ask our opinion"? "When it wasn't in response to anything I personally did"? Maybe you can clarify.
I find this whole rhetoric around it reminiscent of "taxation is theft", to which I respond "well then, I support organized theft that doesn't ruin the targets with redistribution towards societal needs and don't support targeted theft that sometimes ruins targets and only enriches the thief".
sun
2yr ago
It makes sense to speak against lockdowns because they were actually harmful in ways you can describe, like the guy above with his children who couldn't do speech therapy with masks on, or because they were dumb and unproductive/counterproductive towards their stated goal. Or it makes sense to speak against the government for moving the goalposts and Fauci-ing it up.
Tophattingson on the other hand, the whole idea I get from his posts, is all about how they're bad because they're somewhat like imprisonment according to its dictionary definition, and imprisonment is against human rights as written by libertarians, and therefore they must be the Worst Evil Ever. I cannot help but associate this kind of legalesthetic thinking and tunnel vision with sovereign citizens.
I would be prepared to forgive and forget if they were taught as a ‘never again’ moment and written into history books as the worst human rights violations in the modern west
Do you honestly believe they were the worst human rights violation, or is it just a condition for forgiving and forgetting?
sun
2yr ago
It is mysterious becuase it looks like you're grouping "reeducation camps" and "lockdowns" together on the basis on how legally similar they are - not on how horrible the experience is.
sun
2yr ago
As the line goes... if you can be converted to gay by "idpol", you were gay and in the closet, mate. Personally I've noted 0 increase in urges of same-sex sex between my puberty and now.
At this point grooming has taken on such a wide definition in this sphere that you could argue (and many do) that anything involving sexuality and children in the same room should count as grooming. While I agree reading porn to children is not appropriate, I refuse to contribute to torturing the word "grooming" further. Be more specific in your objections.
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