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Is there a youth backlash brewing against LGBT?
I came up out of the subway the other day, and nearly my entire field of view was filled by a massive glowing screen full of flapping pride flags, wall-to-wall and six feet tall. It was a project by some charity or other claiming that "hate crimes" (or victimization, or incidents, or whatever they measure) jump by 60% during pride month. I've been so burned out by the sight of that flag everywhere that the only reaction I can muster is "maybe stop being so obnoxious about it then?" From the POSIWID perspective, one could consider the purpose of pride month to be to spike hostility against LGBT people, so why do it?
A long tweet from sci-fi author Devon Eriksen claims that pride month is downstream of the "toaster fucker" problem, in reference to an ancient greentext. Condensed: the internet brings together people with bizarre niche interests (what he calls "toaster fuckers" — he claims it's meant to be a general term but he's clearly writing about the LGBT theater of the CW). A supportive online community stops these people from leaving the toaster in the kitchen and adjusting to the normal world around them, and instead these online groups metastasize, eventually spilling over into the wider world: intra-group status competitions start with "who can fuck the most toasters", lead to "'toaster-fucker pride' bumper stickers" and then "bragging about how they sneak into other people's kitchens and fuck their toasters, too" and "swapping tips for how to introduce kids to the joys of toaster-fucking."
I think I agree with some of that description but not all of it, and may write it up in another thread if I get time, but it's not so important for this post. I need it as context for the bit that I think is more accurate: the normies getting fed up with all the toaster-fucking, the backlash, and the response (lightly edited to concatenate multiple small tweets, but no words changed):
I think this explains the split in normie opinion pretty well: red states have had more than enough and that's led into the various legal battles that Devon alludes to, school choice advocacy, campaigns to replace progressive school boards, etc. I don't think I've seen "beaten with fenceposts"-level backlash (I figure it would pop up here if it was an issue), but even the memory of such events in the semi-recent past could explain normie "I want to be a good person so I'll call myself an ally"-ism. Compare the number of "racist hate crime" hoaxes over the past few years, to the point where "the demand for racism exceeds its supply" has become a dark joke among cynical online commentators. I don't think I've seen LGBT activists fabricate incidents (certainly none as badly as Jussie Smollett did), but it seems useful for a group to have opposition to keep its supporters energized ("our work is not yet done!") and I could definitely see obnoxious pride month displays as accidentally serving this function.
Onto youth. A recent tweet by a newish Twitter account, America_2100, claims a drop in support for LGBT over the past few years (2022–2023: US-wide: -7 points; Republicans: -15 points, to a 10-year low of 41%; Democrats: -6 points; "young people": -8 points). In particular, they claim Gen Z's support for gay marriage dropped by 11 points between 2021 and 2023, which is double the time span of the other stats but could indicate an ongoing decline in support. Unfortunately the tweet doesn't source the surveys it refers to beyond saying that it came from PRRI and I don't have hard data beyond a couple of anecdotes. Lime, a scooter rental company, made a pride-flag crosswalk in Washington a 'walk-the-scooter' zone after several teenagers were arrested for leaving skid marks on it. I saw a recent comment on a gaming subreddit (sorry, I can't find it), in response to yet another pride-month-themed mod, saying something like "don't be discouraged! 50% upvotes for a pride mod is pretty good these days". But when I interact with university students, the discourse is still very pro-LGBT: they talking about being excited for pride events, etc.
So, questions for the floor:
I feel like the big vibe shift has been the change from pride being about advancing gay rights issues to becoming a marketing term for mega corps to push product.
My cities pride festival had corp sponsorship on the level of the NFL. It also wasn’t clear there was a push for any political stances, just a generic “pride” branding and “love is love” messaging.
My cynical stance is American white women are generally more progressive and also one of the most important consumer demographics. By attaching themselves to “Pride” companies can market themselves to this demographic and virtue signal.
I was telling my girlfriend about Scott's post "Gay Rites are Civil Rites" the other day, an article I thought was very insightful but also very parochial. In San Francisco, the Pride parade has been fully "assimilated" such that it's nothing more than a generic expression of civic pride, wholly divorced from its roots as a celebration of aberrant sexuality, fulfilling precisely the same social function that a 4th of July march fulfils in a Red city (or fulfilled 20 years ago). But obviously that description isn't true everywhere, and there are plenty of places in the world where organising or attending a Pride parade would result in funny looks, or even a visit from the police.
Exactly. Feels similar to Christmas where the general celebration has nothing to do with Christianity (aside from church specific events).
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At this point it feels like "Pride" never ends. I know I'm getting old, but every time June rolls around the wife and I have this feeling of "Didn't they just do pride?" Because businesses keep Pride stuff up 365 days a year. Pride shit comes out shoe-horned into Christmas and Easter. It just never fucking ends, it's just especially obnoxious in June when the public kink displays begin.
I used to be annoyed that Christmas "begins" in November. I fought the good fight that the tree doesn't go up until at least after Thanksgiving. But that's got nothing on Pride.
"I want to get off Mr Bones Wild Pride!"
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In my hometown, which is by no means a conservative place, there was Pride stuff out and about for a week, it was really visible for the day of the march, (the Pride week here was already at the start of June), and after that it's only the same individual restaurants and bars that always have rainbow flags on window that have them. Much more understated than in, say, 2019.
Pride in-person feels more subdued, but online feels only slightly less present. There’s still pride banners all over websites. But in person I’ve seen very few rainbow flags.
I dunno, seems more subdued online as well. Orgs that had a pride logo for an entire month now do it for a week, if that.
Sony just announced its partnership with "immigration equality", promoting "justice and equality" for aids-ridden gay immigrants through lawsuits and lobbying.
Every company is still doing the "are you sure this will help us sell more $product?" "$product?" skit.
On the plus side I can feel fully vindicated making fun of my friend for having a Gaystation instead of an N64. Never stopped ribbing him about the time he forgot to say "no homo" after sex.
Huh. 24 hours ago; not a joke.
To be precise, though, Immigration Equality is only "the nation's leading LGBTQ immigrant rights organization", so Sony is currently just focusing on immigration restrictions in the USA (where immigration leads to a mere 750K new naturalized citizens each year, and where Sony has a full 16K employees), and presumably there will be a small delay before efforts expand to less urgent places like Japan (a solid 10K naturalizations per year, but only 55K Sony employees).
Ironically, I'm actually on Sony's side here (the liberal and libertarian in me are happy with most immigration, and the conservative in me still thinks the solution to AIDS is just "hey, remember monogamy?") ... yet I can't help but wonder if any top Sony execs will really be suggesting that this additional kindness and awareness of other people's problems should also be extended to Japan (42 out of 10,493 annual asylum applications approved in Wikipedia's most recent data), or whether such a possibility would have them concerned about their precious fingers.
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There'll be 64 stripes on the flag before long.
Well then it's a good thing my uncle works at Nintendo, he gave me a Nintendo 65. No you can't see it, I loaned it to my girlfriend who lives in Canada and is totally real.
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The closest "current thing flag" house to me took down their Ukrainian flag to replace it with some black power one in Feb, and have now replaced that with a "stars and rainbow stripes" flag. A positively patriotic rejoinder to the row of intersex-progress-pride+Hamas flags on the opposite side of the road.
The idea that the culture war is cooling down is insane. The gunshots we hear are just getting less frequent right now because the left are running out of their current victims, and haven't picked the next batch to march into the woods yet.
Justifiably paranoid take: the guys saying "it's safe to stop hiding in the bushes, come out now!" are luring out the next victims.
The left has already picked the next batch of sacred cows, it’s just rather muted since the security organs object to the fact that most of the new herd are on international terrorism lists and violently opposed to US interests.
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