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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 1, 2024

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Neil Gaiman having sexual misconduct allegations alleged against him.

https://x.com/bordigay/status/1808522316017815898

Fascinating for the usual 'she was a defenseless underaged 21 year old' tract and 'we had somewhat bad sex at some point' allegations. Reading between the lines it feels clear that Gaiman is a serial polyamorist and atleast a moderate sexpest (by modern standards), but surprising timing to go for him now.

There's been some minor backlash-backlash on grounds of the accusers being TERFs and therefore unworthy of being in the online sphere, and there's nothing explicitly criminal about the accused actions but will be interesting to see how it impacts ongoing projects like Sandman and Good Omens.

Hmm… I mostly only recognize his name as one of those authors that for some reason is discussed a relatively fair amount in the nerdsphere but for whom’s writing I could never get into, like a minor case of Stephen King.

However, that’s not necessarily a knock upon him, as it’s tough for me to sit through a book.

That being said, obligatory “she was only 21, you sick fuck.”

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Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Palestine have nothing upon the forever war that is the #Fightfor35

The usual Schrodinger’s Feminism: Young women are Strong and Indendepent #GirlBoss Queens that should be listened to, yet vulnerable damsels in distress that can be groomed at a moment’s notice like children.

#Fightfor35

Can you expand on this hashtag?

Raising the age of consent to 35, one of the funnier troll ops of the last few years. There is or was a website for it.

The original was Fight for 25, a campaign to “End adult grooming. Raise the age of consent for women to 25.”

However, it got quickly rendered obsolete by stories such as this, where a reknown cancer researcher was Canceled for grooming a 29 year-old researcher and seasoned carousel rider*:

Knouse, Sabatini remembers, had ongoing flings with men who she referred to with nicknames like “anesthesiologist fuck buddy,” “finance bro,” and “physics professor,” and she wanted to keep it that way.

Reality outjerking satire once again.

Chuds and Noticers, being the kind, Decent Persons they are—and wanting to join hands with progressives—eventually started a grassroots campaign for 35 as a more appriopriate age of consent for women to protect them from the manipulations of men and their pedophilic shittiness.

* She was a definite WOULD, aside from the hoetry (other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?). It’s a shame. For the uninitiated, it should be kind of black/red-pilling, that even the nice-looking, pretty red-headed cancer researcher is taking dick left and right and has thousands of miles on the odometer.

That's why I couldn't find the website! Thanks, for a few hours there I thought I'd gone nuts and imagined the whole thing.

Due to the lack of website nowadays, there are probably quite a few poor souls who think the original website was “Fight for 35” all along, like a Berenstein/Berenstain Bears situation.

Berenstain still looks wrong to me.