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naraburns  nihil supernum  8mo ago (text post)   5642 thread views

Quality Contributions Report for July 2024

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Contributions for the week of June 24, 2024

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Contributions for the week of July 15, 2024

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@FiveHourMarathon:

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@FCfromSSC:

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@naraburns:

Contributions for the week of July 22, 2024

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Contributions for the week of July 29, 2024

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I saw Trace's post at the time, but I didn't have the time or energy to go through the whole thing at the time. I did today though. The poo-flinging here was a bit unexpected though. I don't really keep up with the interpersonal drama in that much detail. For anyone else curious:

Trace's post on the blog of the podcast he works for detailing the Libs Of TikTok Hoax he carried out

A Motte discussion of it at the time.

Whole thing seems kind of meh to me, to be honest. Yeah it's not a good look for Trace or the BaR Podcast to carry out hoaxes like that. But LOTT didn't really suffer any harm from it. Trace has done some great work otherwise, but I'm not under any illusions that he's a partisan for my side of the culture war, so I'm not like morally offended that that time, he did something mildly bad to my side. It's kind of a bad look for him to do that and, as far as I can tell, refuse to apologize or anything, but I don't feel the need to follow him around and bash him about it in every other thread. And I get that it's annoying to have that happen, but he didn't need to get so mad about it. I haven't seen him acknowledging anywhere that it was kind of a jerk move. If he wants to take his ball and go home because of that and other such things, well sorry to see a mostly good poster go, but okay I guess.

But LOTT didn't really suffer any harm from it.

It's very difficult to measure how much someone is harmed by things of this sort. It was clearly used by TracingWoodgrains to discredit LoTT. I think I should not need to do some kind of media reputation analysis to calculate how much LoTT was discredited so I can say that LoTT was "harmed".

Was Scott harmed by Cade Metz? If yes, could you prove it?

LOTT wouldn't have been harmed if they did some basic fact checking to check if the story was real. The hoax wasn't that elaborate. And good journalistic practice really would be to not publish anything that hasn't been reasonably confirmed, not just not publish anything that has holes in it

In combination with JR, this amounts to "they weren't harmed, and besides, they deserved it".

Law of Merited Impossibility

LOTT's whole job basically is editorial overview. If someone just wanted to see lots of cringe lib stuff they could browse the subreddits for it. If they want the privileges and respect from conservatives that comes with being a conservative journalist, they have the responsibility to do fact checking.

The whole reason the hoax tarnished their reputation is that it shows they don't fact check. How do you know other cases LOTT highlighted as real weren't fake, but faked by someone who hid their steps a bit more carefully?

Every time this incident is discussed people explain how she tried to fact-check a lot more than TW's trolling crew expected, forcing them to fake more evidence. But it never matters because the next time the incident comes up it's forgotten and the same rote talking points get used over and over again even by people who were there last time.

The same thing happens for every debate from nuclear energy to gamergate, the same discussion happening over and over and over every single month. What I don't know is if people genuinely forget saying the exact same lines each time, or if it's all tactical. Either way it's incredibly depressing.

Also, "How do you know other cases LOTT highlighted as real weren't fake"? Because this fake didn't need to be believed for more than a few days. And getting away with that is much easier than getting away with a fake that's meant to be permanently taken as real.

If a right-winger had sent in the exact same fake and she had published it, leftists would have outed it as a fake within a couple of days. We'd know it was fake, and that assumes the right-winger wouldn't have figured this out and not bothered in the first place.

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