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PaperclipPerfector  6mo ago (text post)   1886 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for November 1, 2024

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I'm in my 40s and believe I'm finally hitting my stride as a young cranky old man. What did it?

Working at a company full of Python developers using Google Cloud.

OMFG I do not care about

  • Kubernetes
  • Terraform
  • cloud triggers
  • Celery jobs
  • Python in general
  • anything that ends with .yaml
  • Docker

It's not because I don't know these technologies and can't handle it. It's because they're stupid. They seem like they were some half-baked approach done by someone barely competent at the task they were given and bam they're now the industry standard and we all need to use it and everyone frowns at you like you're an idiot if you think people shouldn't be forced to huff that original barely competent developer's farts all day every day.

Well, fuck that and fuck you if you agree with them. We should not tolerate the simplest things taking 100ms (or 5 seconds) or taking 100MB (or gigabytes) or 10 approved PRs.

I'm going knee-jerk write everything I possibly can in C++ from now on. I'm pushing straight to main prod. I don't care if it's not memory safe or difficult to reason about or not "best practice". I will use indomitable volition to solve the problem and when I do it'll be so much faster and I get to really dig in and be cranky and old and superior. Behold, this actually takes only 50 micros and uses 5MB of RAM and the Hertzner server costs 1/10th and the overall cost is 1/100th and this is right and good and just. While you're entering day three debugging some inscrutable GCP error I'm shipping.

I am elite and I know how computers work and this is how you do it. Sorry if you can't keep up, young whipper snapper :sunglasses: :muscle_arm: :smug_smirking_face:

Get. Off. My. Lawn.

Everything you listed except Celery is how I got into tech and make six figures now, lol. I don't know how computers work** since I don't have a CS degree and don't do tech stuff for fun (anymore), but I agree that a lot of people use the tools you listed terribly (especially Terraform and k8s, wtf). But I'm curious what your objections are to the tools you listed. How would you do things differently? Usually when I run into someone who pooh-poohs those tools, they're the sort of person who wants to write their own epic genius 1337 codegolf in-house tool that has zero documentation, is full of idiosyncracies, and will become someone else's pain in the ass when they leave the company in a year. And then it's a part of the workflow that I have to use/work with/work around/slowly start making plans to sneakily deprecate. I dunno, I'm in my mid 30s. Maybe in a few years I'll start to get crusty too.

**by this I mean I have only basic knowledge about DSA, time/space complexity, Linux internals, etc. compared to turbo nerds who spend every weekend contributing to OSS for fun

ETA: One thing that I think is lost on a lot of engineers is the value of legibility. Terraform might suck, but you can explain what it does to some dumb non-technical stakeholder or some mid/low-quality engineer. It has tons of docs, and there are lots of slick videos explaining it on YouTube. HCL sucks, and it reinvents a lot of basic programming concepts but worse (for_each), but it's pretty easy to get started with.

There's also the "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" factor. As a manager, part of my job is pushing for new/better tooling. If it's something mainstream and there are case studies or tons of threads about it or some Gartner bullshit or whatever, I can budget approved easier. What I pick is almost certainly not the optimal tool/software, but I have to get shit done and I can't let perfect be the enemy of good.

This also comes into play with public cloud (touched on by @ArjinFerman). I've never worked anywhere that has fully optimized cloud spending, there's always tons of waste. But after the corporate card is attached to the AWS account, I can provision servers/containers/clusters when I need to, and I only get yelled at about billing once a year as long as nothing ever gets out of hand. Is it wasteful, inefficient, and dumb? Yes, but that's just a reflection of the wasteful, inefficient, and dumb nature of the vast majority of human organizations. It's not a technical problem.

tl;dr a lot of the devops/infra people know these tools are dumb/inefficient but the alternatives are endless red tape or deadlock.

tl;dr a lot of the devops/infra people know these tools are dumb/inefficient but the alternatives are endless red tape or deadlock.

Oh, that explains a lot. I'd off myself if I had to work for a MegaCorp, so most of my work was for small companies with little to no red tape.

Yeah, it's pretty grim. The only place I didn't have to deal with that kind of thing was at a place where the entire leadership consisted of former software engineers. Otherwise it's a constant battle.

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