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There was a recent suicide in India by a fairly competent ML engineer due to divorce rape. He uploaded his note and a 90-minute video on rumble for everyone to see where he detailed how the Indian legal system ensured he dies. The note is in English, the video in Hindi. Twitter has some tweets that give you some details in case you want a quick summary, this, this, this and it even got mainstream coverage. You can read more about the MRA fold run in india by following this lady.

Marriage here are extra fucked. If the wife commits suicide in the first 7 years, the groom and his family get charged. Similarly, the bride can always file the dowry act and get the groom and his family jailed. Since this is India, most of these cases are just women fucking over the guy since this is a low-trust society, this is despicable given these cases make actual events of barbarism harder to punish due to long backlogs.

In this case, the judge wanted the guy to pay a few hundred thousand dollars, not rupees, and asked the victim to pay her 5 hundred thousand inr (6k usd). Cases here are stuck in judicial purgatory, no one trusts or has ever trusted the judiciary and most if not everyone runs under the belief that bribing is the only sane option. Our victim here directly named the judge, his wife and wrote a section dedicated to his young son who wont get to have his dad around.

I am uploading some parts of his harrowing note in English for the benefit of other mottizens. I am unmarried and my mother always warned me of such things even as a child, though I am quite aware of how grim things can be, I found this to be fairly depressing.

Instance 1 of Instigation for Suicide

Date: March 21, 2024
Place: Principal Family Court Judge - Rita Kaushik Judge Cabin

Prior to my cross-examination scheduled to happen after lunch, I arrived at the Principal Family Judge courtroom. I was called into Judge Rita Kaushik's cabin by Peshkar Madhav, where my wife, Nikita Singhania, was already present. Below is the conversation that took place:

Judge: Why don't you settle this case?

Me: Ma'am, they were initially demanding 1 crore INR (approximately $120,000 USD), and after your interim maintenance order, they are now demanding 3 crore INR (approximately $360,000 USD).

Judge: Then you must have 3 crore INR. That's why they are asking for it.

Me: Ma'am, please look at the petition; see the accusations they have made against me and my family. They have filed numerous cases. They are not allowing me to meet my child. She has left the house herself. She is harassing me and my family. I have to travel from Bangalore to Jaunpur.

Judge: So what if they filed cases? She is your wife.

Me: Ma'am, if you look at the NCRB data, many people are committing suicide due to false cases.

Nikita Singhania: Then why don’t you commit suicide too?

Judge: (Laughs) and asks my wife to go outside.
Judge: These cases are all false. This is how it happens. Think about yourself and your family. Settle these cases. We will help you.

Me: Okay, Ma'am, suggest something. But I don’t have that much money.

Judge: We will adjust; I will take 5 lakh INR (approximately $6,000 USD) and I will get it settled here in this court. It’s a very reasonable amount; you earn that much money. Nikita will adjust too. Otherwise, you and your parents will be running around in court for life.

Me: Ma'am, I don’t have that much money. We have all the evidence; so many things came out during my wife's cross-examination. You should hear our case on merit.

Judge: Alright, we will hear your case on merit. You may go outside.

Instance 2 of Instigation for Suicide

JUSTICE IS DUE
Date: April 10, 2024
Place: Outside Principal Family Court, Jaunpur
After opposing the Judge's unilateral order against me regarding compliance with Rajnish Vs Neha filed on the same date without giving me a chance to file a reply, I came out of the courtroom where my mother-in-law Nisha Singhania tried to provoke me.

Nisha Singhania: (chuckling) Oh, you haven’t committed suicide yet? I thought today I would hear about your suicide; you said you would do it that day in front of the judge.

Me: If I die, how will your party continue?

Nisha Singhania: (smiling) It will still continue. Your father will provide the money. Everything belongs to the wife when her husband dies. After your death, your parents will also die soon after; then there’s also a share for the daughter-in-law in that too. Your entire family will be running around in court their whole lives.

Judge: We will adjust; I will take 5 lakh INR (approximately $6,000 USD) and I will get it settled here in this court.

Is the judge offering to settle the case for just $6K? Surely this guy would have had $6K to make this go away? IMO it's not prima facie unreasonable for a divorce to split assets evenly if the couple has been together a long time, and presumably they had over $12k in assets.

Yeah, he certainly should, again it is just his side and he seemed to care a lot about doing the right thing after a point. I probably would have simply paid off the judge tbh so dunno why he would not. His family is yet to make a statement on this.

The judge was requesting a bribe. Westerners really don't comprehend how corrupt third world nations are even when presented with an example of it in the most direct sense possible.

Third world bribery is hilariously different from first world bribery. A policeman shaking you down for a random traffic pit stop is unheard of in the developed world, whereas the networked corruption of opaque contracts and awards buried within bureaucratic legalese are a misty shadowland for third world.

And to think that the previous generation of my family understood bribery vocabulary so well.

Anyway, giving the judge $6k to make it all go away still seems to make sense. When in Delhi, right?

Does the bribe actually work or does the Judge just take the money and then claim the other family paid more so you will need pony up some more?

Presumably, if the judge reneges on his side of the deal, he will torpedo his chances at getting future bribes.

offering up

*requesting

Yep, good correction.

I read it as a pure bribe ; in exchange for six thousand dollars she will try to limit the alimony and other claims, which are in the hundreds of thousands.

She can do a lot, convince the wife that she wont get much or the 6k might just be a beginning in a series of bribes. Judges here can do a lot, Indian courts have backlogs going back 80 years so not like it wil get checked. Everyone takes bribes and judgements many times are made on whims, this is seen as a fact of life here by everyone.

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