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All Entertainers are Terrifying People, and OnlyFans Models are no Exception
I watched McMahon some while ago, and it was kind of amazing. Basically tells the story about a young psychopath working his way up from being raised by a single mother in a trailer park, to building a multinational media empire and being friends with the President. All the same, he's still a psychopath. You can admire his unparallelled achievements and greatness, but he's still a terrifying individual you would never want to know personally. At a certain point in the documentary, I think before a slew of new allegations came out about McMahon but maybe not, a bunch of interview subjects are asked what they think McMahon's legacy will be. All but one of them choke on the question, knowing all the skeletons that man has in his closet, but not wanting to say anything because they aren't public (yet).
And McMahon was just one example. It was an industry built on people willing to make any sacrifice for fame and fortune. Putting aside the steroids, they worked at a pace that destroyed their bodies. Listening to the Undertaker go over the list of permanent injuries he's left with is a nightmare. And these people undoubtedly blew off steam in ways greater society would condemn. Drugs, alcohol, sexcapades, you name it.
With Hollywood, and all the high profile sex and crime rings that are being exposed with Harvey Weinstein, P Diddy and even old Epstein paint a nightmarish picture of an industry that paints itself in a very good light. The casting couch has always been infamous, but who knows how far the depravity goes. We catch glimpses every now and again. Brian Singer, the director of the first two X-Men movies was criminally outed as a gay pedophile.
And then there was Lily Phillips, who broke down crying after taking 100 cocks in a day. It's repulsive. But, as I sit with the knowledge of it for longer, most entertainment is made by repulsive people. Has Lily Phillips abused her body and broken with public morals more or less than McMahon, or P Diddy, or Harvey Weinstein? Or even the average wrestler or movie star willing to do anything to be famous? How was Chris Benoit doing during his career? How does taking thousands of cocks over a career, and the BPD and narcissism associated with such an act weight against CTE?
I guess if I have a point, it's that the Roman's were correct. Entertainers are all degenerates and you should scorn anyone who chooses to be one.
Well, we may or may not suspect that a giant orgy has a pernicious effect on one's psychology like taking steroids and pro wrestling has a pernicious effect on one's body, but I don't think we know that first part for sure.
Really? I take it as a given. Of course I seem out of step in disagreeing with the rather large generalization that began this comment chain (that all performers are degenerates). So maybe my strongly held conviction that orgies aren't so good for the psyche (especially if you are the only girl involved) is in the minority here.
Hmm. My first assumption is that if it were in the minority there would be orgies absolutely everywhere, as opposed to just everywhere furries gather. Although the proclivity for orgies of furries suggests it's personal shame and body image issues that hold a lot of people back, so maybe we are in the minority.
Uh, you do realize that furries are not exactly an unselected group, right? They typically have open and liberal sexual attitudes, are very likely to have proclivities, and lots of them are gathering at fur conventions specifically to hang out with other people with... proclivities.
Fur conventions having orgies doesn't mean much more than gay pride parades having orgies. I mean, maybe a little more, but not much more.
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Well I meant specifically on this site, but also I didn't realize furries were big into orgies. I learn more every day.
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