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Twitter saw Elon go full alt-lite on the British government after the Rotherham incident where he has been tweeting about it for the past week and it is glorious to see it. Leftists of course do not care about those girls getting raped and deflect the accusations outright by denying that the rapes happened in the first place.
Keir Starmer, the British prime Minister, made a statement on this going after Musk. In an interesting turn of events, Andrew Tate started a political party named Bruv with the intent of becoming prime minister of the UK while still not having had approval from the Romanian government to leave Romania.
Musk's talking points are positive for anyone who likes the truth, He pointed out the inflated numbers of sex offenders being Muslim migrants in other parts of Europe and has shown support for AfD in the past which is a centre-right party in Germany. The tech right seems to be bending the knee to the traditional right, in a way musk fighting for the h1b made others on it stick with him and similar people like Joe Lindsdale are now posting similar things.
This is very surface-level info, I post this because we are currently in the midst of what one may call a thermidor of sorts where people stopped using pronouns in their bios online and saw a rise of post-censorship worldview, the slop by James Lindsay which got him recognition gets him trashed whilst Musk posts Keith Woods on his timeline. The attempts by the online right got derailed badly post Charlottesville and Jan 6, the latter happening exactly 4 years ago. My main aim here is to get some perspective as to how things were during these two incidents during 2017 and 2021.
Edit - forgot to add Moldbug came up with a new piece directed to alon against the H1B and the O1 that was surprisingly not passive, I quite agreed with most points in it. Elon also gave a meek nod to Tate's LARP of a political run and posted memes about feds on Jan 6 and even questioned the deaths of officers on that day, to the point where the llm embedded in twitter tells you that the people listed all died of natural causes. Interesting times on Twitter.
Edit 2 - Musk tweeted Could what happened to the Yazidi people one day happen to Europe? and the 13 52 for Europe, are we back in 2016? His tweets led to inbreeding advocate Mohammad Hijab to go full mask off and talk about outbreeding native brits
Dude is speedrunning the alt-lite pipeline to a much darker form of enlightenment hopefully.
They do care but only marginally. I was in a discussion just recently. A quasi steelman of their position (copperman?) is that yes, rapes may have happened and political correctness may have contributed to the police failing. HOWEVER, Elon Musk is just bringing up this against Keir for political reasons. The people who bring this up have an agenda, they're motivated and they won't give you the full context. If you have the full context you'd probably find it's a very murky situation and there are no clear goodies and baddies. By the way, you can't find the full context because there's nobody who's disinterested in this so don't even try (also I can't be bothered to look into this, it's not my problem). Every big prosecutor has 10 cases out of 3000 that look pretty bad, Elon is just singling out Keir because he can. What are you supposed to do, get it right every time?
Furthermore, judges frequently let out criminals they thought were truly guilty because that's how the law works (judge says 'I wouldn't say frequently' in reply). Anyway, it was a breakdown in communications, these things just slip through the cracks, it wouldn't be fair to hold anyone accountable for it. Police corruption and institutional failure does sometimes happen but we should be very wary of people who say the police are covering it up or that the authorities have failed us because that's what far-right people and schizos say. Most people who say this are schizos or liars. And there were all these times people were arrested for pedophilia despite not being pedophiles because the wrong people were listened to...
TLDR; rule of law > catching pedophiles and taking them out of circulation. Elon and the far-right are in the wrong here.
Perhaps you can tell from my tone that I don't really agree with this, I find the argument motivated to be maximally unfalsifiable. You could use this kind of reasoning to justify everything, there's a kind of meta-cherrypicking going on: "you can't just pick out bad things politicians have done in the past to attack them in the present when everyone makes mistakes" surely wouldn't be accepted for the wrongdoings of Donald Trump. My conclusion is that IQ once again isn't an unalloyed good. You can use intelligence to achieve any goal, good or ill.
The steelman case is surely far stronger than the above.
It's not that rapes may have happened and political correctness may have been a factor that got in the way.
It's that those things definitely happened and were revealed to be such by multiple both national and local inquiries, in particular the 2022 Jay report. This has been a major news story for a decade in the UK, it hasn't been suppressed at all.
Neither does the steelman case claim that Keir Starmer may have dropped the ball just this once as all prosecutors do.
For a start, he was director of public prosecutions (not a prosecutor but in charge of the entire national justice apparatus).
And he actually did take strong action on the problem, for example appointing a new chief prosecutor in the NW who overturned the previous flawed inquiry and created a model that enabled mass prosecutions to happen.
Neither is it the steelman position that taking paedophiles out of circulation sometimes comes second to the rule of law.
Rather, it's that a much more effective and rapid way to tackle this problem would be to implement the 400 recommendations of previous inquiries (which the Tories did not implement, claiming now that they spent their final two years in power preparing to implement them; Labour have committed to implement them)
The steelman case is that taking action now is better than another multi-year national inquiry (aka kicking the issue into the long grass). This is what the chair of the Kay enquiry and the victim groups are calling for by the way.
I don't exactly know what the response to this version of the steelman case is, because the most prominent people making the case for a new enquiry are not listening to or responding to any of it. I myself am open to the need for further national enquiries, by the way, but I don't think the main figures calling for one have even begun to make a reasoned case as to why one would help deliver justice.
I came to this thread today hoping to find a steelman somewhere, so thank you.
Is there any additional steelman for the cases themselves? The screenshots on twitter from official reports that show 13 year olds being gang raped multiple times by multiple groups in single days, being pulled out of police stations to be raped in cars, are all just.... insane.
What's the median rape case here? A troubled girl exchanging sex for alcohol and drugs? (I don't ask this to diminish that as a crime). I can't possibly believe examples like the above are anywhere close to average across 3,000 kids.
Most of the perpetrators followed the "boyfriend" model. They ply vulnerable girls with alcohol, drugs, and attention (for why that is important consider the idea that strippers often have Daddy issues), and pretend to be their boyfriends, before pushing them into more and more extreme acts, initially with themselves. Then they use that, the "relationship" and threats against the girls and/or their family to pimp them out. Remember these are first and foremost prostitution gangs.
To the police jaded with contact with the underclass, contact with these girls makes them look like prostitutes. Ones with drug addictions, who sneak out to go to bars underage, and who given their backgrounds likely have behavioral issues as well. To the police they were criminals and scum not victims.
It was the perfect intersection of left and right blind spots, suppress it due to the race of the perpetrators, ignore it due to the perceived immorality (and class) of the victims. Remember this started in the 80's into the 90's when police approaches to rape as a whole was pretty unsympathetic, particularly for those who were in theory in some kind of relationship with the rapist.
Beat cops in that time frame were not a beacon of racial harmony, so the race issue only came into play when things began to bubble up to higher (and therefore more political levels).
Sure, but there are still the insane cases which are not even close to that. There is the girl who went to a police station complaining about a CSA, then got kidnapped within the station and raped, then dropped off on the street, kidnapped again and raped again. All in a row.
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