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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022

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just set them on course to join in the future as adults?

So this is not "grooming" in your mind???? Conservatives would consider cultural influence "setting them on the course" to join that community as grooming their children. If you've set a child on the course of sexual development, the grooming is done.

That's not pedophilia or child sexual abuse though.

It is abusive to set children on the course of heavily self-destructive and dysgenic behavior.

It sounds like you're trying to do an end run around "gay bad, trans bad" by assuming it as given, then arguing "it's abuse because it leads to gay/trans". But this entirely trades on the negative connotations of "abusive", not of "gay/trans".

The outcomes of transgender people are comparable to those of addicts and schizophrenics in terms of self-harm and suicidal ideation; anybody who tries to set your child on that course should be regarded as a threat to your child.

Alas, I think your argument here reaches a plateau in momentum; trans rights advocates would probably say, "well, duh, because trans people aren't respected by mainstream society." They have the plausibility-shield of "trans people don't spontaneously end up dead because of hormones, but because of social rejection."

Right, so they admit to evangelizing behavior as the solution to their own dysfunction, which dovetails with unprecedented increase in youthful identification with transgenderism and the like. That's why the "grooming" accusation is so powerful- foremost because it's true, and secondly because it puts a negative label on the behavior that the LGBT+ community believes is necessary to normalize their own outcomes.

To leave aside the divisive "groomer" argument, you still need to argue that transgenderism is inherently-negative cetis paribus--i.e., the problems associated with it would still be present absent the element of social stigma. This doesn't have to include over-correcting enthusiasm, just more whether these outcomes are replicable in a vacuum.

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