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You go much above that and it has a VERY noticeable impact on divorce rates which guys are aware of.
I would admit that many guys would accept it, of course. But that says more about THEM, I think.
But if you were talking to a 23-25 year old women who admits to 6, 7, 8 whatever, what does that imply about her decision-making?
And suffice it to say, even if you exclude that criteria entirely, it doesn't really fix the ratio problem.
Check in on Gen Z sometime.
https://ifstudies.org/blog/how-much-of-gen-z-will-be-unmarried-at-40
Show the countervailing evidence. I beg you.
Relationship formation is in freefall across the fucking planet, I think 'catastrophe' is actually a fair characterization.
Reproducing relevant comment elsewhere:
Look at the graph in the link you shared that shows divorce rate by number of premarital partners. It shows that the divorce rate for women who had 2 partners exceeds that of women had 6-9!
There is a 10 percentage point difference for the arbitrary cut off of 4-5 and the maximum at 10+ partners. The difference between 4-5 and 6-9 is negligible, maybe 1 PP.
This makes the choice of 4-5 very hard to justify. After all, you should also rule out women who have had precisely 2 partners by the same logic.
Note that you also need to account for the fact that a minority of people divorce multiple times and drive up the average.
I've linked the image in question here.
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You also have to read these numbers through the different thresholds for getting married in the first place - the people with shorter previous relationships are propably less likely to get married in the first place, and so its more meaningful when they do - but that doesnt hold in the "intervention" condition of "why dont you consider those as potential wifes".
If men were very efficient in assesing divorce risk and chose to marry accordingly, you would expect this graph to go up in the beginning and then be flat, which is more or less what it does.
IDK about this. People could be more likely to get married because they don't spend as much time dithering about it.
This graph isnt about getting married in a certain timeframe, its about getting married to a certain partner. There could still be some effect of that... though I notice now that the IFS data doesnt have age, so bodycount isnt necessarily about relationship length, as it would be for someone evaluating the mostly-similarly-aged women he might date. Note also that their table 1 shows the odds of marrying partner #n continually decining (beware the pooled fields).
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Make that a 23-25 year old man, and what does that imply about his decision-making? You can't have it both ways: you can't have "the guys get to sow their wild oats but then there is a crop of fresh virgin brides when they decide to settle down", or else you get "the fresh virgin brides are snagged by the 40-50 year old successful men leaving the 23-25 year old guys to be incels".
Unless we had a sex ratio where there's one man for every two, three or four women, we are not going to get "Joe gets to sleep with a ton of hot chicks while he's young and randy before he settles down to be a family man husband and father aged thirty, but Josie only has one boyfriend since high school who she marries, or if he breaks up with her, she then finds a guy at college and marries him aged twenty-three". The numbers will not work out. Joe, Bob, Bill, Sam, Phil, Ben and Tom can't sleep with ten girls each unless those ten girls all sleep with ten guys each to keep the access equitable. Certainly Joe can sleep with ten girls if he's hot and rich etc. but that means Bob, Sam, etc. don't get to sleep with those girls or only get to sleep with one or two girls instead of the ten they envy Joe for getting.
That's the point I want to get across: both sexes do not get to eat their cake and have it. Joe can't have a stream of girls to have fun with and then settle down with a maiden bride because there aren't enough spare women for each man to have a string of sexual adventures but each girl he sleeps with only sleeps with two or three men over her dating life. Josie can't sleep around like a guy and not face consequences because the good old double standard and when she wants to settle down to be a family woman wife and mother aged thirty, the men in her age range will still be looking for the twenty-three year old maiden bride instead.
I understand you're a woman and you feel this is unfair, but further up faceh posts an article claiming that 80% of women are sleeping with 20% of men.
How much more sex-suppression can there be done among men? Female selection is already enforcing the sex suppression. 80% of men are receiving lower than average amounts of sex!
How much room is left on the female side? Well, 20% of men are running through 80% of the women. It's a small share of men creating the "bodies" problem, while 80% of women are cooperating! Why is it that this smacks of double standards to you?
I don't know if I believe the 80/20 thing, but part of the problem is the divide between what men want from sex (sex), what women want from sex (intimacy) and that there are men who want love and romance and women who want sex and no strings attached.
The plaint is that it's easy for women to have sex, that a single woman can just go out and hook up with a guy whereas a single guy has to jump through all kinds of hoops. Yes. Think about that. Men have such low/no standards that "a standing prick hath no conscience" so if the woman isn't actively repellent, they'll sleep with her. That's where we get the "a woman can have sex just for the asking" part.
Meanwhile, women want (I'm not going to deny it) casual sex too, but a lot of women want "sex AND", where it may be as simple as "sex with the hot/desirable guy" or more complicated with "sex with the guy I'm hoping will commit" or "sex turned into feelings and now I can't leave even though I know this is just a fling for him".
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There is a quite a lot to scrutinize here - firstly, the fact that is is an article from the "Institute for Family Studies." The numbers themselves come from the CDC, but even the IFS doesn't quite say what you say it does. There is not a strict correlation between high body count and divorce rate, the biggest jump is not at 5+, and they sort of mention but mostly brush past confounders like "People with few sexual partners are more likely to be religious and thus more likely to be opposed to divorce."
I also question how you conclude that "most guys are aware of" these alleged facts? I think most guys have an intuitive feeling that women with a lot of sexual partners make them feel less secure ("she's going to be comparing me with every other man she's slept with") but not that it automatically makes them less committed to the partner they eventually choose.
There is between body count and STD rates.
And single motherhood.
And probably mental health as well.
Unless you're arguing that Body count is a GOOD thing for a partner to have... best you can say is that this is a neutral issue that can probably be ignored.
No, I would put a high body count in the negative column, but most men won't consider it an automatic dealbreaker. If you get to know someone (amazing concept, that) you may find out if they've had a lot of sex because they consider it a fun thing to do while they are young and unattached, or desperately seeking an alpha and delusional about their own market value. Or just sluts who don't value monogamy.
I do not buy the "too many cocks inflicts psychic damage on females!" theory.
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