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There are plans, budgets, orders for all of those things... But ultimately the claimed Extermination Camps are a monumental logistical challenge. Murdering and disappearing the bodies of that many people in that time frame is an extremely difficult and dangerous task. It's not a task that a mid-level officer would just put on his own shoulders because of "mind-reading." It's a task that would absolutely require careful planning, budgeting for resources and building suitable structures, provisioning the operation, etc.
We have an extremely large body of documents pertaining to written orders, construction orders, blueprints, plans, budgets when it comes to the concentration and labor camps. But it's the "extermination camps" that have none of those things.
The notion that this operation emerged without orders, without plans, without budgets is highly unlikely and the claim it did so is necessitated by the fact the existence of the operation not corroborated by those things.
Not in the sense that is being talked about here. The closest to it that you could come up with is admiral Levine getting the age limits pulled, but the sudden mass-promotion of the phenomenon wasn't done on the order of Transgender Hitler.
On the flip side, the camps weren't operating without budgets, plans, and orders either. The point being raised here is that the order wasn't literally "exterminate all the Jews", so the plans weren't things like "to exterminate all the Jews, we will need XYZ", and the budgets did not include things like "Jew extermination gas canisters" as line items. This again strikes me as eerily similar to how the modern progressive regime operates.
Did the judge that ruled the migrants can stay in the Epping hotel need a direct order, or an act of law being passed? Is it really that surprising an underling might interpret "will no one rid me of this turbulent priest" as an order of execution?
Regarding the logistical issues, it would be interesting to see the orders, plans, and budgets, that they did have. If the mid-level officers were charged with managing the Jewish population, didn't have enough resources to do it properly, and knew no one in the regime would really miss them if they disappeared, but conversely could get into trouble for requeating more resources to be diverted from the war effort, then mass murder is starting to look like a perfectly rational conclusion.
Obviously a court ruling is an example of a bureaucracy implementing a policy. There's an official paper trail there.
Of course they weren't, and there is a huge amount of documentary evidence for budgeting, planning, and orders pertaining to the camp system itself. But there isn't any reference to some top-secret extermination operation or the planning or construction of homicidal gas chambers disguised as shower rooms. The problem is not that there is a lack of documentation pertaining to the camp system, there's an ENORMOUS body of documentation pertaining to the most minute details and planning of the camp systems, with the very stark omission being any reference whatsoever to a top-secret extermination program
Do you know how difficult it is to cremate i.e. 800,000 bodies in the matter of ~120 days? It was something like 6,000 people allegedly cremated on makeshift open-air pyres in Treblinka every single day without fail, rain or shine. That is an impossible operation, one that could not possibly have evaded planning and budgeting for the immense resources required for the task. The mainstream historians simply nave no explanation for where the camps, for example, procured the immense amount of fuel which would have been required for the cremation operation. Of course there's no documentary trace for any planning or budgeting for the bare necessities required to run the operation. It's just left without explanation- an operation of this magnitude could not have escaped substantial amounts of planning.
The British intercepted and decoded all communication between Auschwitz and SS command during the height of the "Holocuast". The communications contain not an iota of reference or mere allusion to any extermination operation. They do contain explicit orders from command to reduce the high death toll caused by epidemic typhus "at any cost" in order to maintain a productive workforce which was important for the war effort. The sheer lack of reference to the operation in documents, planning, and communication is a big problem for the mainstream theory and not something that can be hand-waved with "it was planned through an incredible meeting of minds." Incredible indeed.
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You could say the same thing about the Pyramids, and yet, there they are.
Do not mistake difficulty for impossibility. Moving multi-tonne stone blocks down the Nile with Bronze Age technology, let alone assembling them in massive load-bearing structures is perhaps impossible to the mind of a layman. It is not impossible, when you consider the Pharaohs had the resources of a sophisticated state that literally gives out seeds to its farmers so that they can pay their taxes in the expected amount and kind.
Indeed, you could say that the function of states, besides war, is to organize resources to accomplish wasteful yet impressive things. In this light, the Holocaust is merely a modern-day version of pyramids of skulls, at an industrial scale. The Nazis embarked on a multi-front war of conquest which logistics spanned from the coast of Normandy to the fjords of Norway to... Egypt, all the way to the gates of Stalingrad, supplying millions of men in the field with cutting-edge technology. Are you telling me, that of all people, Germans are not organized?
If you look at their plans for Berlin after the war, for the Volkshaile and other wonders, you understand they had no lack of ambition.
Do you have the same level of skepticism for the Pyramids, too? Maybe the Great Wall of China, as well. How about the Holodomor? Maybe aliens did help them. Perhaps aliens were involved in the Holocaust, since is simply impossible for human beings to accomplish it on their own.
We call these aliens bureaucrats.
Obviously the Pyramids are there, you can look at them. Not so for the "gas chambers" or alleged burial sites for millions of people. The remains have never been found. Imagine if the Pyramids were never found and they were never mentioned in any documentation contemporary to their existence.
No in fact the opposite, they were incredibly organized and the level of detail that went into drafting orders, budgeting, planning- the sheer amount of bureaucracy was actually astonishing. The notion that the most sensitive and secretive operation in the entire history of the Third Reich escaped all trace of written orders, planning, budgeting, and procedure that was standard operating procedure among the regime, and was instead coordinated with "mind-reading" among the bureaucracy, is incredibly unlike the German mode of organization.
Have you actually visited Auschwitz and Treblinka? Seen the physical evidence for yourself?
Or are you, to put a blunt point on it, blowing smoke up your ass?
No, you'd probably have some pithy response to that. Okay. How about you go to Tuol Sleng? Or you can go to the Balkans where freshly uncovered mass graves are something of a regular occurrence.
I am very right-wing. I have resided on very right-wing parts of the internet. What I am saying is that you are being a coward. You lack the honest and brutal character of a Serb, who, confronted with war crimes, will go: "It's good that it happened, and we regret that we didn't get enough of you." The fact that you are evading and speaking of apologia is evidence that you know that the crime of genocide is something to be ashamed of.
The lady protests too much, methinks.
To put it in frogtwitter terms, you are a theorycel, an academycuck. If you had the balls, you'd be with the other WN shitposters calling for a second Holocaust. Even the pro-Palestinians have more courage than you. David Irving-style denialism is a relic of the past, and you look ridiculous. The cool zoomers who want to put the Jews in the oven right now sneer at you for even bothering to engage in academic debate in the first place.
If you're not even at the most extreme edge of the Overton window, why bother?
Lay off the ad hominem, please.
I understand that dealing with SS is frustrating to say the least. You’ve still got to follow the civility rules. Take a one-day break.
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