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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 8, 2025

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Tyler Robinson, Kirk shooter, has been caught after a family friend turned him in

The markings on the bullets described by authorities indicate that the suspect, Tyler Robinson, was steeped in online culture and included references to the Antifa , or the anti-fascist, movement. A fired shell casing was inscribed with “notices bulges OwO what’s this?” - a reference to a “copypasta” - a piece of text that is repeated over and over again, often to troll people online.

Authorities say one unfired casing had the words “Hey fascist, catch!” and three down arrows - a common symbol used to represent the anti-fascist movement. A second casing had the lyrics to a song “Bella Ciao” inscribed on it. The song honours WWII-era partisans of the Italian resistance who fought Nazi Germany.

The third unfired casing was inscribed with the words “If you read this, you are gay lmao” - again an apparent reference to online trolling humour.

Parents, keep your kids away from Discord. Will be interesting to see if this guy is a true believer or just ragebaiting.

So I was holding this back until confirmation, but honestly, I don't know if I can blame anybody for believing this is a false flag. Not that I think it is, but come on, if you prompted a Hollywood writer to come up with a scene about "killing discourse / debate / free speech", would anyone come up with something better than "milquetoast political pundit, who likes to make appearances under the tagline 'change my mind' gets shot in the throat by a political opponent, during a Q&A at a university, as a member of the audience is making a comment on how peaceful the other side of the political spectrum is"?

Too symbolic. Too surreal. Simulation theory confirmed.

In this context, what does it mean for something to be a false flag ?

  • Someone else killed him. They got the wrong guy.
  • It's the right killer, but he was not working alone. He did this on direct instruction from a 3rd party.
  • The killer was working alone. But, was targeted to be radicalized without his awareness. Some malicious party that even he is unaware of is orchestrating his brainwashing.

According to the posters on /r/somethingiswrong2024 it was the Heritage Foundation who murdered him. That would be a false flag attack.

It means the flag the ship was sailing under was false.

So something like, he's not a tranny leftist, he's a rightist who wants to draw down wrath on tranny leftists.

(Tongue in cheek) Throwing this out there as a proposal: it's a double false flag, a lefty pretending to be a righty pretending to be a lefty. All the hints that he's a right-wing 4chan kid are so explicit that no one earnestly trying to cover his tracks would be so obvious.

The reality is he's an Isma'ili muslim shown visions of paradise while under the influence in a castle in Persia, and the entire rest of his life is a series of ruses designed to throw us off the scent. But we won't be fooled! We know the Safavid-Ottoman conflict has moved to NYC, where else can the Isma'ili menace be found than in Utah?

"Utah" is basically one letter away from "Ummah". The kabbalistic implications should be obvious.

In this context, what does it mean for something to be a false flag ?

"The Drumpf finally wants to declare himself the God Emperor, so he directed the CIA to engineer an assasination that will turn the nation's hearts and minds against his political opposition", or something.

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