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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 6, 2025

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I feel like a much better target are the hordes of laptop-class, bullshit email jobs these giant companies seem to employ in droves. I worked at a grocery store that paid a triple digit salary to a 'Graciousness and Hospitality Coordinator' whose primary job consisted of slapping together poorly made PowerPoint Presentations which might have been titled 'How Not to Have Aspbergers Syndrome', meanwhile they can barely get product on the shelves because the place is so understaffed.

I have to imagine Starbucks has hordes of these silly positions whose jobs consist largely of sending emails and having Zoom meetings that have little to no effect on the overall functioning of any individual coffee stand. As a laborer who felt underpaid, these are the people I'd direct my ire towards. But in the framing of the political left, they're all a part of the 99%, and the Ceo isn't.

laptop-class, bullshit email jobs these giant companies seem to employ in droves.

I hear this complaint a lot but I work in a microcosm of a corporate environment with around 200 employees that directs billions of dollars in spending that is almost entirely composed of "laptop class" people and while I understand the incredulousness of onlookers it's very hard to tell which of the email senders and data enterers could in actuality be replaced without catastrophic consequences. If this wasn't the case then some group or another would have already raided the department and gotten rid of all of them so that they could show 10% reduced costs on some corporate slide deck and ascend the payscale. These things are much more darwinian than outsiders believe.

This is very obvious with AI entering the picture and the various departments looking around at eachother with hunger in their eyes. Do we really need this many pricing analysts? Can our underwriting be done more efficiently? Surely we can get a closing document for a $150 million deal done in under a week of labor. I promise you that you are not the first person to wonder if some job really needs to exist. Someone with skin in the game is fighting ever budget season for that job to exist and there are real stakes.

The starbucks email job sounds so frivilous until a whole region of shops doesn't get their bean delivery and can't sell their most profitable drink for a week costing the company millions because some process wasn't followed properly.

Most of the left are the laptop class doing bullshit jobs. Which I find rather hilarious. They act like email jobs are so stressful and demand even more money, but never really did anything honestly productive where results matter. It’s even funnier when you realize that most of these people who consider themselves working class have jobs that they couldn’t fail if they tried.

Interesting because it's been much, much harder for me to hold on to fake email jobs than my jobs delivering pizza and flowers. I left all the latter, the former left me (save for one).

Yeah agreed. I think the hatred against fake email jobs is somewhat warranted for a small amount of positions, but it's nowhere near the majority.

I feel like a much better target are the hordes of laptop-class, bullshit email jobs these giant companies seem to employ in droves. [...] I have to imagine Starbucks has hordes of these silly positions whose jobs consist largely of sending emails and having Zoom meetings that have little to no effect on the overall functioning of any individual coffee stand.

Probably why that video got such a backslash....

triple digit salary

Uh, what currency are we talking about?

$/hour, I'd guess.

(But yeah, normally when someone says "N-figure salary" they're talking about $/year)

He means six figures, because once you make 100+ it's "triple digit" because the trailing 000 is assumed

Making 75,000 would be "double digit" I guess because it's "75"

I've never seen that before, but if a friend asked my salary I would respond with "I make 95" not "I make 95,000" so it makes sense

Presumably USD thousands per year